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    hello all,

    I certainly want to apologise for not being more ftimely with my responses and for not clicking in periodically to see about any other memeber’s feedback or input requiring any reaction or response.


    >DAN

    back around ’12, my outfit was exchanged almost totally due to attempts by criminals to forcibly enter my premises.


    I became abundantly aware just about instantly an enormous amount of havoc can be wrought in what law enforcement calls ‘response time’, and after two such incidents came to grips with the proposition my personal safety was vastly more inmportant, I had to bust a move to upgrade the security in and about my home. ASAP! the only means at hand was to convert equipment into $$$ and lay in the means to be alerted of intruders andf to personally deal with them when necessary. so I did. 


    thereafter health conbcerns began looming large and well, overcoming life’s tribulations thus far has not enabled me to get back into the ‘game’ so to speak.


    the only new items I’ve acquired of late are more ammunition, new music CDs, and IMO a OPPO 203 UDP, high value pr of ear buds, and an AQ RED Dragon? for the new iMac Retina desktop.


    i had been eyeing a Blue Sound node i2 and thought to grab one but obtaining a new AC got a higher priority and I blew the stimulus funds on it. immediately after paying for it the aC in my office died and another one was needed. and in the Sunburn State while in summer time, guess what choice I had?


    the present aim is/was to amalgamate the system ‘left overs’ into a PC outfit… and that is still in the works requiring some rearranging of racks, componnets etc., and sadly I’ve just not been up to the task physically.


    luckily I have been able to get to both Fla Audio shows of late, ’19, and earlier this year where I visited the OZ presentation of the Vitas 30 INT with and was delighted to hear it. that said, it showed a lot of promise, though I’m not so sure it was a bowl me over event. especially given the entry fee it demands.


    my escort and I saw some personal favs there, and a couple new demos which have redirected my philosophy on audio and its consequent tarrifs, or just how much $$$$ does one need to invest to get the knnee bobing and the corners of the lips turned up.


    several rooms, new to me, demonstrated systems which rolled in under $10K that were impressive. that said, there were of course others whose tags were uber high that accounted extremely well for themselves too! some in the what I call fairly manageable for many or the mid 20Ks, were as well suprisingly entertaining. Raven room was one that really buttered my bread. 


     if Bill Gates gave me a  check and I could only spend  $100K or less, I’d opt in on the Classic Audio T1s,  Atmasphere Chronos amps, PAD loom, but sans  the TT and add the EMM labs dAC along with a Wolfe streamer, without giving things much thought at all, such was the rooms depiction..


    if Bill was more frugal I’d likely oppt for some of the Raven’s offerings and be very happy and defintley grateful.


    though there were a number of really strong arguments for going other routes. Daedalus & VAC statement Integrated amp was a compelling room too. so was the Audessy and vAC statement amps. 


    I passed on the Magico demo as it was always too crowded so there was another likely enagaging exhibit to ponder or salivate over.


    regretably  I missed the Legacy room altogether. bummer.


    this is  why I feeebly posted previous to this “anything new or recent” as I’ve a long ways to go from here.


    economically speaking, to illustrate the current state of y union, ‘if BMWs were being sold for $1,000 each, all I could do was to spread the word. lol.


    hope that sums up things overall, well mostly anyhow.


    be well, jim

    blindjim

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    Anything new, or less than a year old and go from there.

    blindjim

    Owner

    Hello all,

    Life and Health scenarios have entirely overturned my previous acquisitions, and decidedly decimated the audio gear inventory here abouts, so a fully blank slate presents itself with which to begin anew.


    with the new year about to dawn, it seemed appropriate to re-visit this thread and add in some personal goals rather than specific items, brands or models which   presently  clutter  the emotional’ side of my  brain.


     IOW, the next direction for a ‘go to’ outfit.


    hardware comes and goes, but personal philosophies and or traditions on amassing and sorting out a copetent audio rig tend    to remain rigorously entrenched, only the names change to announce the guilty, er, chosen pieces.


    as for  my predominate lingering devotion, I remain married to the notion any top notch stereo rig must begin at the begining, ala the source. no  other part of the downstream system can make up for shortcomings here.  


    certainly the ’source’ first concept does not necessitate diminishing any downstream devices. it simply means the voice of any home audio construct will find its throat here, first and foremost.


    the ‘soul’ of any stereo leans decidedly on the synergy demonstarted by thesum of its parts in total.


    naturally a   digitally  based arrangement is the most viable course for  my circumstances, consequently, and from what I’ve heard, EMM Labs has my vote for D/A conversion duties with its flagship converter, although there are a couple very intersting European alternatives if one keeps on par with the EMM Labs MSRP. 


    the late influx of upper end InTEGRATED amplifiers also has captured at least my attention,  but not     as yet without  a fair amount of consternation, especially with the lofty entry fees  associated with many  of them, and my fetish for separates.


    of these one box upstarts, the Vitas 030 unit most recently hitting the  market  certainly  is attractive!, though, as said,  not the only gum drop in the jar in this respect.


    the only definitive choice  though not totally clear aspect as to brand and model, is the speakewrs, and here is where my usual philosophy is about to make an abrupt lane change. 


    Horns. 


    it makes sense to get into horns as this genre of loud speakers afford numerous possibilities with amplifier designs and topologies, given I’m prone to using glass amplifiers predominately but , not exclusively, horns, or so it seems offers fascinating options for adding in power amps. 


    its said, 80% of the music is made in the first 20 watts’. I’m anxious to see how much of the music can be made in the first 5 or 10  watts if quite effeicient speakers are in place.


    prudence keeps,  ‘wading into the pool is the safer  approach than diving in head first’, so there will be   steps along the way to educate and re-educate myself on how the State of the art has driven the fundamental areas of signal development, amplification and reproduction in todays compoenents.


    at least it sure seems intriguing on paper! 

    blindjim

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    anything expensive. not uber expensive. not ransoming the kid expensive. not even ransoming the spouse expensive. maybe renting the spouse expensive. depending. probably have to defer to a second opinion  then. 

    Speakers are on top of the list. High Eff types. All else about them is up in the air .

    blindjim

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    Musicfile

    Yes, the Dodds are alive and wwell, with new power cords and stands attached to them.

    I'm hesitant to snap photos till all is in place, aside from the color changes, track lighting and carpeting, it's still a bit spartan looking. Darker, warmer, yet sparse... with a really big 116" DIY screen on one wall staring back at you, it looks odd.

    The difficulty with acquiring new draperies is finding pinch pleated ones, and getting a decent ceiling mounted traverse rod. I've found some curtains sure. the color options just don't suit me.

    Now tiring of the ordeal I'm likely just going to put back up what was there until I get the right ones... which should help the looks some too.

    ... and I still need to make the center ch speaker stand.

    On the whole, though, it is better sonically now that I can close off the room completely.

    I also went with some plywood platforms for all the speakers and sub to overcome the deeper pile of the new rug, and just last weekend got the stain for them all, so that's gotta get done too now.

    ...and the Wirehider conduit is up and the wires ran. I've had to reorder some terminations and another video cable that has yet to arrive, but should quite soon.

    Add in lengthy waits for the lighting to arrive, the electrician to schedule it, and finish... and repairing the scratches the carpet installers furnished at no extra charge BTW, and those associated repairs, and here we are.

    Oil well. It is what it is. It will be finished however. Hopefully before God comes.

    blindjim

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    The road goes on forever, and the party needs to end…

    sometime….soon.

    The first poster to this blogged audio & video journey of mine, said “Do the room first.”

    I’m sure there is wisdom in that but I’ll take issue with the word “first”, however. Soon, at some point, or lastly, I agree the room needs attention to be paid to it. Earnest and appropriate attention. That comes at some expense. A lot of expense even if you do or do not pay attention…. You’ll pay for room redoing and acoustic treatments..

    Done? No, not yet but Mine is nearly finished. At least to the point where I can begin to bring back in the main speakers and sub. Fllowing 3 months of non playing whatsoever, things are acting like they’ve never been run in. the coming up to speed though is taking far less time though. Stuff needs to have signals passed through it, leaving it just plugged in isn’t much help afterall. Well, the stuff that actually moves or rotates, anyhow.

    Closing off the room on both sides now, has proven to be a huge bonus. The sound field has become far more the evenly dispensed field one would naturally want.

    Due to the newly installed ‘better than before’ medium thick pile carpeting and thicker pad, new spikes will be necessary I’m sure.

    Curtins have been swapped about and one set is now out, awaiting replacement. A ceiling mounted traverse rod will now reside behind the speakers and cover the wall mounted 16:9 59 x 98 in. projector screen.

    I’m figuring all but the DIY acoustic treatments will be in place by NFL’s regular season opener in Sept.

    Perhaps the room should be the last thing acoustically treated, as by then you’ll know just what to treat, instead of balancing a room first then continuing to add other items which will throw it all off by the time you’re done.

    Now, who makes a good hot air popcorn popper?

    blindjim

    Owner

    It never ceases to amaze me how long it takes to get things done around here... and how plans can morph into something entirely different! I think I’ve heard that somewhere before….

    Finally!

    The living/listening room is completely closed off. Pocket doors, bi folds, and a pre hung 3/0 did the job. $2K got em installed and trimmed out. Another several hundred got the room repainted. Other additions were a 110 HT DIY screen, and a BenQ PE 7700 DLP FP. Both are mounted.

    Rail/track Lighting is next up and only a decision of sort, color, wattage, and placement are left to be decided there.

    Latest system additions of note are a Running springs Audio Haley, a Bel Canto DAC3, (which only edged out the Lavry DA 10 due to remote control and a USB interface, sonically the Lavry is far more the musical device), a Velodyne DD15, Onkyo TXSR 805, a brand new Odyssey Stratos SE SS amp, some brand new stands from Sound Anchor for the rear speakers, and another new pair of their amp stands as well for the Dodds. A pair of HT Magic III ICs also found their way into the mix.

    One inch Cherry dowles and some 3/4 plywood and some ball type furniture footers will make up the substrata for the Chunks and are presently on site. Covering fabric is undecided as to color and type.

    Wire management will be from Wirehider and painted accordingly to enclose the HDMI & other video cables to the PE 7700, and for connecting the rear speakers to the Onkyo HT rec. Another multi ch Ss amp might be added later on as well as a second sub for the rear speakers…. But I’m in no rush to do that last bit.

    Whew! That's enough for now... re-carpeting will just have to wait a bit longer even though it does make sense to do it before re-installing the speakers & sub back into the room.

    Hmmmm... well maybe I should do something that makes 'timely' sense for a change. So, OK... after the lighting and curtains get selected, or during, I'll pick out new carpeting for the room too. Just wait to put it in last though.

    So what seemed like just additions for securing a better 2 ch presentation turned into a full fledged attack, albeit a lethargic one, and it’s become a better more upscale way to entertain, and watch flicks, sports and TV.

    A needed addition will be at least one more silverline speaker aimed for the center ch as the TXSR 805 Onkyo receiver does not allow for ghosting of the center speaker. I found that quite surprising and a mite distressing too for a $1K HT receiver.

    I think side wall speakers for 7.1 might also a consideration too, however they'll have to be surface mounts and paintable. They'll also probably be added only if needed, and definitely after all else is finished.

    blindjim

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    Appreciation comes with greater impact... after the fact.

    Possessing a shunyata Python VX in the past and then opting for some 'looking 'ruond' for another source PC wasn't a mistake as much as it was an eye opener.

    I re-acquired another PVX recently and instantly remembered what had been left behind and just how much I enjoyed the "old red" one.

    regaining it's infulence in my system is deeply satisfying, especially with the new xa 777's drive outfitted by an auth svc center locally.

    truly a fine fit!

    blindjim

    Owner
    A significant move became the replacement of the drive module in the xa 777es CDP. Whoa! Should have done that a year or two ago. They don't last forever. Only 5 or 6 years.

    Nice move. $300 at an authorized Sony service station. Both lasers and drive mtr. are now new. Took a goodly while to run back in too, and could still use some more time.

    I added an Oppo Digital DV 980H multi format disc player. Quite suprising a device!

    Also I've found some strong value oriented cables by way of Audio Art and the Micro Pearl from Alpha Core. I presently give the nod to the AA IC3 over the MP though.

    I did replace the recliner by another more upscale unit. Added also some bass traps people can sit on. Oddly they look very much like chairs and a loveseat. In fact they do help the sound as well as being accomodating.

    I've been dragging my feet, and dreading the task of slicing and dicing the Fiberglass panels to date, but the next cold snap will yeild some prime cuts and construction of the SC & assoc. panels, including some corner busters.

    blindjim

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    It's curtains for me. they're up. Some tweaking of the fabrics and positioning is still in order though. It's a far better esthetic and now no longer do I have to look upon a barren wall. The zip in the room dropped dramatically. Focus seems improved as well.

    Super chunks are next along with some DIY panels.

    The amp is changing too. Getting Dodd mono blocks to obtain SE throughout and the added power is welcome.

    blindjim

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    Sorry to take so long with things. I had wanted to go a lot faster naturally, but things, not ‘time’ won’t let me.

    I gotta build a fire to get smoking. So I sold the JRs, and the vk500. Lost much of my sanity and increased my anxiety level. Found a reasonably priced BAT tube amp and deliberated on buying speakers. What brand, type, etc. Found a deal on Silverline Sonata IIIs. Stole a fine Voodoo Tesla II power cord and some tube vendors with some nice inexpensive NOS tubes for the VK 60 & TA 1000 MK II.

    Decided to move ahead with the rock wool/OC DIY panels, then finally, mod the Sony CDP, and check out the new SR Tesla series speaker wires. A DAC is sure a real benefit but will have to wait. As will the xa777.

    I decided to attack the room first by layering curtains on the front wall. Behind them place some panels and diffusion things. Make two Super chunks also for that wall with four ft. being the first level… then add more if necessary, rather than go floor to ceiling right off..

    ‘Course given the way my plans go, there’s no telling what will happen next, but every effort is to get them curtains up, panels and chunks done.

    IMO - The best system upgrade/addition was a chaise recliner I got for Xmas, and some CD’s.

    blindjim

    Owner

    Thanks... yeah, whatever it winds up being. it might wind up being two completely different amps in the end, though I hope only one sort is necessary.

    blindjim

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    we're still circling the landing strip. Waiting for the 'dough' runway to open up. Shouldn't be long now. Living costs in my state went up severely this past year and that's an extra 2K I'd not planned on. Overcoming that shortfall has lengthened the time till I can do what I want by way of acoustics.

    The other side of the coin, is I'm making an amp move shortly I hope, which will markedly improve my position there. though I'm having to part with my bestest amp and fav speakers to do it.

    Somewhere in that mix I'll soon be adding some DIY panels. Not ones I would prefer, but something... sort of a look see, and yep, they're way cheap. 7 x 3 inch 705 OC for $56.

    blindjim

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    Yes. Burlap will be a less expensive way to go too. Ordered some swatches today.

    I managed to hold on to several sets of 6DJ8 tubes... Tele PCC 88, Amperex's 7308 green, orange, and yeah, a pair of PQ US white too. Figuring "who knows?"... and mostly I've seen them all used in pairs... so I beleive I'll be OK if I get a tube DAC, which is on the list too.

    blindjim

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    Capt369

    L shaped? sorry to hear that... but gland you figured out how to manage it.

    got the prices today on the panel materials. Not bad, I think. so long as I wait for them to re-up first and don't make it a special order.

    Also got some tubes for the Thor on the way. RCAs. I was assured they would outperform the stock tubes. Hope so their twice the price of a stock set.

    Now i gotta find some cover material for the RTs... and harder stil is picking the color.

    blindjim

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    I thought about the drape bit. Still am actually. given their price however, dedicated acoustic items aren't terribly much more depending upon which or who... we'll see. those carpeted panels can't be helping with bass though are they?

    I found an outlet in my area for the 705; 702 etc owens corning panel materials, just a matter of going, getting, and cutting.. i was also wondering about the backs, or even putting some sort of backing onto them... something medium strong as I'd like to try making some 12 & 18 inchers. vs. all 24's x 48's.

    I'll get off the dime soon enough with that project.

    blindjim

    Owner
    I will. For my next trick, I'm going to get some panels (DIY) or inexpensive ready mades for reflection points. sides and rear.

    Anyone know of any that do work well in wall mounted settings, and are attractive?

    blindjim

    Owner
    Where I lleft off was with the sub. it wasn't an extended stay. it died early the folllowing AM. Dealer said bring it back and I did. I'm hinky about things that die right off or go wrong shortly after getting them. I kept one that did that and I regreted it all the while. Dealer got it working almost completely. Implored me to keep it for another month and at time if I didn't like it bring it back. i declined. A few times. tried to get another one but neither he nor I was sure enough as to which would suit me I felt uncomfortable in buying another yet differenet type. he cheerfully credited my accounts.

    that episode proved a good one on the whole. I had placed the older one into the HT system. Set it up and just left it there. now down to just two speakers I moved them about some and got used to 2.0 again, instead of 2.1 listening. good thing. learned a lot there. Running it without a X over it ran full.. 30-200Hz. that was affecting the sound though I was only partially aware of it. With the muddeled mid bass now clearer and cleaner... things on the whole improved. I took a giant step towards the DNM (dreaded neutral monster) I had so feared for so long.

    having a near empty room I began to put stuff into it. things improved. I did notice keeping the aray balanced was helpful mostly.

    I called six contractors to hang doors to enclose the room. two showed up. one wanted a couple grand for two pocket doors, one pre hung, and one set of bi-folds... if he did it but didn't want the work. hmmm. That issue is still open and looks like I'm going back into the carpentry trade soon as i get some accessibility featured tools.

    on the treatments fromt.. I made a couple attempts there to acquire color swatches of some 'panel' absorbers. Called once, offered the money for them, and the manufacturer graciously denied it saying he'd send them along. Some weeks later not having received them I emailed him again asking what's up, and he said he would send them personally, I included my mailing address... I'm still waiting.... or going elsewhere i suppose. As I was prepared once a friend saw the colors available to make an order just then and willing to pay the upcharge for the likely color pick would be in that category.

    on the tube and iso tweaking plateau I sought out steve of herbies Audio labs and began with some iso cups and tube rings.

    In my now former BAT vk5i, I put the halo rings onto all the six signal tubes. no minor move there! Far better focus and relief of images was had. maybe as much as 50% better. I also got a pair of the Peak rings. Put them onto the shunts in my pre. those are the ones off by themselves and the same nine pin small tubes. yes. worth the money there too. the nickel rings for the large 5881s didn't do much if anything in my preamp so they went back for credit.

    the herbies iso cups were put under the xa 777 es CDP. replacing some wood footers another gracious member had sent me. the first set came with two distinctly different balls. one Poly, one ebony. for me, the Ebony were the deal. Two in the rear, one up front. All on a old cheap particle board shelf I ripped off of a TV roll around stand. They have been mighty useful as a number of components I have are on them, though separated by footers.

    I like the iso cups so much that i bought anoher set for the BAT preamp. That move proved not quite as good however, and Steve had said that was a posibility before hand.

    Somewhere in there i ran across an Elrod Power systems Sig 3 power cord. Definite added bonus was had by acquiring it for sure. it supplies my amps cords via a PS power filter, the UPC 200.

    Almost a month later or so, I saw a VooDoo tesla 2 for sale. I never had tried one but Bruce of VooDoo knowing my system said for some time having it would be a benefit. it is. Was adn is. Like the Elrod? No. Beneficial nonetheless.it brings you far closer to the musidc. it's IMO a high res power cord no question, but the way it layers things and added texture to my rig is just really neat. Sorry, perhaps not an authorized audiophile term, but apt.

    now. the BAT is gone. I've really thought about that and to this moment i'm not sure what possessed me to sell it, but sell it I did. At first the thoughts of added flexibility were the driving force. But a terrible showing of one highly touted preamp, and my impatience moved me to uncomfortability. had to have something.

    then there it was... and I made a deal for it. Now all that is left is to finalize the payment and delivery. Which will happen day after tolorrow, then wait. it has four tubes - not ten. how do you spell relief? it ain't spelled ROLAIDS... I spell it THOR. 'lEST THERES AN r IN THERE.

    SO IN EFFECT MANY GOOD CHANGES AND LEARNING EXPERIENCES HAVE COME AND GONE.

    Sadly I'm not much forther along with panels and such... though it's not for lack of trying. So I'll keep doing just that. Trying. learning. Fussing. Fretting. and in there somewhere the sound is getting better somehow... in spite of my plans... and the sound is the fun.

    blindjim

    Owner
    Well, as things don't always go accroding to plan (s).. but eventually always work out... the most recent acquisition is likely the most long sought after and surely needed item... a new sub. with treamtnents being in the fore, it was a hard decision. Some things made the choice easier though... it's the same brand as the VR4 JR's, same color for all units and that's a first for me... it's new with fac warranty.... and the price fit the wallet.

    I can't help but think that it will aid the system by a wide margin, given what it is replacing is near nine yrs. old with no X over, phase adj. or IEC cord... just a volume knob and 100 wpc.

    introducing the elrod, the tube rings, and iso cups, one of the two PSA Duets have sincerely gained the system greater focus. better imaging. unreal voclizations and midrange transparency. ... and way, tighter bottom to mid bass performance. overall, "articulately musical and defined" to another level heretofore not realized.

    super chunks are in the works, and panels as well. Chunks are a DIY measure, the panels will be pre-fab.

    Still looking for floor standing, or wall mounted difussers... either DIY, or ready rolled.... Any suggestions on Diffusers??

    blindjim

    Owner
    Things don't always go according to plan (s).

    Treatments are about to happen... some, anyways. buying a few, and making a few.

    Also felt the need to advance buy a couple PS power conditioners. Next, I feel a newer sub coming on.

    Then, it's a coin toss as to either a DAC or upgrade the CDP.

    ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE NEW BEL CANTO DAC?

    blindjim

    Owner
    UPDATE..
    oRDERED IN ANOTHER COMPLETE SET OF TUBES, SAME AS BEFORE, SIMPLY FOR BAKCUP.. NOS tubes that are tested well, and matched, which provide excellent results are hard to find. Once found... get 'em beofre they are gone. the power cord thing was addressed too. Whole different brand than I've ever had, but am glad to have it. ONe more and I'll be set with PC's. I bought an Elrod Sig 3 as supply cord for the Hydra/VK500.

    Now back to the next item.. room treatments. eg, above... any sources known that give great results in the area behind the speakers? ONe source says, "Skyline" diffusers, from RPG... I think.

    Any others?

    blindjim

    Owner

    Snofun3

    ...good idea. I will. All day today I've been going over my notes gotten from online DIY room treatments.. absorbers, mostly, tube traps too. Looked at Parts Express as well for some diffusing foam gizmos, but I'm not too impressed by the appearance.. or the costs... about $20 each for 2ft x 2ft x 3".. $80+ for 2 - 4ft applications... just to sort of see what's up with the stuff.

    Giving Auralex. a call ought to help. I hope.

    got the re-tubing biz out of the way... and am ontrack to get the tube rings tomorrow morning... along with some ISO cups from Herbie Audio Labs. 10 rings, 3 cups... w/2 ball types for each.

    On the tube bit... and just to clear up something I found out quite by accident, yet I did post accordingly that errant bit of info at the time... I'll recant it now as I do know for sure the correct way:

    I'll not quote the source, though it's a highly regarded one... the BAT vk5i has eight tubes... six signal, two output, and two ‘shunts’ the shunts have accordingly been “shunned” in regard to the class of tube being used in those slots… no more. During the talk with the tube source, the notion I try another pair in there was provided me as something to do… I did. Yep. There’s something to those slots… no night and day diffs but noticeable diffs… most noticeable. Another 20 – 25% gain in overall performance and now I can see further tuning available via the use of just those slots… versus a complete retubing. A fairly cost saving tip, I’d say.

    …but back to the other thing (s)
    Having sent back one of the PCs I've been using, I'm ancy about having another. A big drop off was realized in removing that cord. I also found it was affecting the SS balance, which has regained better proportions. Now though it’s lesss three dimensional than before. Just wide an tall. Some prominence, and depth but not much. Depends on the recording mostly. Anyhow I’m on the road to find out once more.

    Run across any resources for inexpensive diffusers, or what ever is supposed to be set rearward of the speakers, do say so. Thanks.

    blindjim

    Owner

    Snofun3
    Gee, thanks. Very much. have any personal experience buying from them you'd like to try and post?

    I checked into the room treatment game some months back... last year I guess. Each one of those 'providers' I spoke with, both local & web-based, wanted to do the room treatments on like a time & materials basis... in other words, just have a blank check signed and ready.... asking for ball park prices from them, some wouldn't say at all, others said from $3500 on up, with an average being about $5,000. None wanted to do anything with me in a 'piecemeal' or stepped path. Pretty much, all or nothing... none were going to use any testing equip aside from their ears. I wasn't too pleased with doing things that way. Perhaps that is the way it's done for others. But for myself, that dog is plumb run out... and a near impossibility. Each said it was all trial and error... there was no exactness in science with room acoustics and treating same. Perhaps not. But just too open ended a deal for me to pursue. So I'm left to doing it a bit at a time now and then and simply doing the treatments in pairs. I am looking forward to it some, though, as many have said the room is a part of the system... as I have discovered near everything else about the system is a part of it....

    Thus a first things first approach is the one I'll take. Roughly, it'll go like this?

    Get another set of the same tubes I'm using now. Hopefully.
    Get some rings for them.
    try the inexpensive herbies feet.
    Begin experimenting w/ wall treatments behind the speakers and their corners, with cheap diffusing techniques.
    Do the Kern mod on my CDP, sans the BG caps, but w/new transport and lasers.
    Do the ceiling & side walls reflections treatment.
    Close off the room.
    Either a PC for the amp, or buy a newer but still, used sub... or vice versa, and ultimatley both.
    Buy a nice tube amp and bi-amp the system.

    Roughly, of course. There's the plan but subject to change given romances & finances. Certainly all of the above need be done however. The results of the 'tweaks', & treatments I'll post if the thread is available. If not, then in my system account, as it is added to..

    One last notion here is that I am thinking to build wall mounted shelves for all but the amp, instead of building a rack. Make the shelves out of a nice hardwood of course and stain them. That's it. No racking. Shelves. Makes sense to me... and seems the way to go for TTs... Good Idea? ...or not? They'll be mounted through the drywall, and into the studs which are sixteen inch OC.

    blindjim

    Owner
    Listener57

    Thank you. Good advice. Will do.

    It sure seems to take me a long time to get close to a change. Justification of it, I guess. In any case these less than exhorbitantly costly items along with the CD upgrade make the most sense. …and will be next up to bat.

    One poster with tons of experience has convinced me to proceed with the 'room' treatments... aside from the CDP modding from Richard Kern it looks as though I’ll be getting my feet wet there too…. Cheap stuff at first till things get sort of figured out… then maybe the better stuff… but I’ll be in touch soon. Thanks again.

    blindjim

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    Listener57

    as I see there are several to choose from... how far up the food chain did you go? I'm thinking to do all but the shunts... two 5881/6L6, and six 6DJ8/6922/7308... So six of two of the other...

    ... oh, and what did you experience after addin the rings, if you don't mind saying?

    blindjim

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    Listener57

    ...thanks. My intentions exactly... well, almost exactly, I had planned to at least give those tube rings a shot... the mat too. But the mat worries me... if it comes off in there ... uh, oh, you ain't talking about the Cd thingy, you menat the CDP mat... sorry... but yeah I spoke with steve out there last month... and will be back intouch with him in a week or two about the rings and other stuff. I'm also figuring on one of those Lyon's platforms. Neuanse. For the CDP. I'll look into those other notions. Thanks for the heads up.

    blindjim

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    Snofun3
    thank you. you can do a whole room for 1000 - 1200?

    Ncarv
    Well, ...yes, but that figure is usually more than the figure I want to spend.

    Jond
    Gee... and here I thought the 777 was pretty musical myself... but OK, Any suggestions in that regard?

    Jsawhitlock
    ..preciate it. Got the lines already. 4 of them, and only use 3.

    Sns
    Hmmm.. thanks. Well, by your response, what do you think is the weakest link?
    I'm just getting to 'really' hear the Sig 10's now... your assesment is mighty close. Problem for me is either fit or likely, and mainly, preffs. they are now config'd as regular wires running the TM. A more than noticeable change occurred at that point. With only a few days along I'm just not sold on every aspect of their performance, and for no reason apart from preffs... so I thought to step up a notch or get another brand. I've a ton of flexibility in tuning my system as is.

    Given just these thoughts, and I appreciate them all, the consensus seems just now that I am near done. Yet to make moves with CDP, would be IMO, a sideways step. Different. Not necessarily better, and there would be the more than likely need to change the source ICs too, were I to go that way. Plans for the systems ultimate end is adding that new DAC Bel Canto came up with, but I've seen no one say anything about it's performance. The Flexibility it would offer me, as ALL my sources will be 'digital' is mighty attractive. Given their heritage I am anxious to see something about it.

    The room plans are to close off the two openings now there. At that time I was going to add different carpeting, another layer of better drywall, trim, and probably just paint. With that in mind, I guess making some moves in room treatments now couldn't hurt, as once the actual placement is figured out I'd think that little changes would be necessary later... but closing it off might well change a lot. I don't know really.

    blindjim