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Audio Nirvana has arrived. Being involved in this hobby for the past 40 years proves that this is a journey and not a destination. Over these years I have had countless iterations of too many systems to mention. Over the past 15 years I have become a loyal fan of Wilson Audio speakers and have steadily moved up their production line. Four years ago I never thought it could get any better than my Wilson X-2 Alexandria series l until I heard the X-2 series ll this year. Suffice it to say the X-2 Series ll speakers were added in October of this year in Black Almondine and now occupy the center of my sound syatem. For the past 3 years I have been seriously considering a return to vinyl and was ready to make the move until I began reading about the resurgence of reel to reel tape recorders and The Tape Project. Recently I found a fully restored Studer A810 tape recorder and added it to my system as well as becoming a Charter Subscriber to The Tape Project. Needless to say I was smitten. Recently I also swapped out my much beloved Meitner digital gear for the newer Playback Designs PDS MP-S5 and have been more than happpy with that decision. Earlier this year the video side of my room underwent a complete change and installed the Sim2 C3X1080 triple chip DLP with an Isco lll anamorphic lens. This allows me to enjoy either 16 X 9 format as well as 2.35 on a CIH Stewart Firehawk G3 132 inch curved screen. When I did this I upgraded the subwoofer(s) in my room by swapping the Wilson XS for two JL Audio Gotham subs. It took the better part of four months to get these subs dialed in for my room but once done they are simply better than I could have ever imagined. As far as what the future holds in the hobby, I am in a holding pattern but I never say never.
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    • Wilson Audio X-2 Alexandria Series ll
    I am in awe of this speaker both from the way it sounds as well as the way it looks. After 3 months of anxiously awaiting, the speaker finally arrived. Color is Black Almondine with Parchment Gray grill covers. The speakers weigh in at a cool 720 lbs each and stand 2 inches taller than the X-1's I had. Simply put, I have never heard a speaker as real as this. The soundstage is huge, more open than even the X-2 series l. The ease of setup as well was amazing. It took us only 2 hours to get the speakers operational. The wonderful thing about the X-2 is that the upper modules can now be meticulously set to image at ear level. The X-1's were always imaging just a bit high. These speakers are truly Dave Wilson at the pinnacle of his game. Just when I thought my X-2 series l's put me at audio nirvana, along comes the X-2 Series ll. The best way to compare this speaker to anything else is with a big smile rather than with hyperbole. IMO this speaker has brought me to Audio Nirvana.
    • Lamm Industries ML 3 Signature
    The ML3 is a single-ended (SE) tube amplifier utilizing a very powerful direct-heated triode GM-70 (125W plate dissipation) and a separate power supply. Combining the most sophisticated technologies and electronic design with graceful looks reminiscent of the classic era of tubes, the ML3 is our top-of-the-line, no-compromise product. It is a 32-watt amplifier that operates in pure class A and utilizes no overall feedback. The topology is absolutely unique and incorporates one of the most advanced power supplies ever featured in an audio device. These factors, along with the designer’s unique vision and understanding of the underlying principles of audio electronics, make the ML3 an amplifier without peer. With the ML3 as the centerpiece of a high-end system, the recorded event is recreated in one’s listening room with astonishing verisimilitude. The listener is able to experience an ephemeral yet tangible connection to the essence of the music. These are not empty claims. Those who have listened to the ML3 firsthand have unanimously acknowledged this phenomenon and have reported it to be utterly unique in their collective experience. IMO this amp rises above all others and is the the new king of the hill. Audio Nirvana has arrived
    • Lamm Industries LL1 Signature Dual Mono Line Level
    The monaural line level preamplifier model LL1 Signature is the ultimate statement of perfection in High-End audio. Just like ML3 Signature is the best creation of its designer's professional career among the LAMM amplifiers, so is the LL1 Signature among the line level LAMM preamplifiers. The LL1 Signature has been designed to complement the ML3 Signature amplifier, and this combination in a system represents a "match made in heaven". However, the LL1 Signature will perform magic with any other appropriate power amplifier. The LL1 Signature features a topology that brings out the most natural sound performance in the audio path. In principle, it is a single-stage unit that basically represents the shortest possible signal path. The preamplifier contains four very linear low impedance triodes paralleled into a single inverting gain stage. The LL1 Signature employs a pure single-ended class A operation, with no overall feedback applied. Also featured are specially selected high-transconductance dual triodes 6N30P-DR/ 6Н30П-ДР (original) in the signal path and TKD stepped potentiometers for volume control - the best available on today's market. The preamplifier's audibly neutral power supply features a full-wave vacuum rectifier. This rectifier, together with a choke-containing filter, allows to practically get rid of the hum and buzz and, in the end, to ensure the verity of dynamic range without coloration. Two solid-state analog voltage regulators supply dc voltage to the tube filaments (heaters). Other features include 3 inputs, one tape/HT processor loop, attenuator (-12 dB) switch, output 1/output 2 switches, protection circuitry designed to enable manual muting of the output signal, and built-in remote on/off for LAMM power amplifiers. The main distinction of the LL1 Signature from any other comparable type of preamplifiers is its practically inaudible sonic signature. When connected to an appropriate type of power amplifiers, especially LAMM power amplifiers, it assures the extraordinary transparency of perceived sound and recreation of a three-dimensional soundstage in the home, recording studio, etc., without boundaries and limitations. Each preamplifier is handcrafted of the finest materials and top quality parts like military-grade DALE metal-film resistors, PRC wire-wound resistors, BOURNS multi-turn potentiometers, CORNELL DUBILIER and UNITED CHEMI-CON electrolytic capacitors, ELECTROCUBE, ELCON and ROEDERSTEIN film capacitors; HAMMOND chokes, gold-plated NEUTRIC connectors, and military-grade low-noise long-life vacuum tubes. A custom-designed massive damping panel installed in the preamplifier unit significantly reduces all types of mechanical vibrations which, in turn, leads to a more extended, coherent and natural bass reproduction. The LL1 Signature features a custom-designed super-low noise power transformer. The LL1 Signature works on all world AC line voltages (100/120/220/230/240V).
    • JL Audio Gotham/g213
    Gotham® Your first look will tell you that you are looking at something special… your first listen will confirm it beyond a shadow of a doubt. The beauty of the Gotham® extends well beyond its exotic design and exceptional craftsmanship, aiming right at the emotional core of musical and cinematic enjoyment. This is a subwoofer system with limits well beyond the needs of the typical home theater application, delivering a weight and integrity of reproduction that can only come from a system that is always in control. Its allure lies as much in its ability to convey subtleties as in its prodigious output capabilities. It is simply devastating. A luxurious, handcrafted gloss-black finish is complemented by machined aluminum and stainless steel accents for a look and feel that fits perfectly with the finest home furnishings. More importantly, the beautiful cabinet houses a pair of JL Audio’s highest-technology subwoofer drivers. When demanded by program material, the Gotham’s amplifier can deliver voltage equivalent to 3,800 watts of RMS power to take full advantage of the twin drivers’ four inches of peak-to-peak excursion capability. This ensures that the Gotham™ can breeze through material that makes other subwoofers go into clipping, limiting or distress. Listening to a Gotham® reveals an entirely new dimension of subwoofer performance... a dimension so satisfying that listening to lesser subwoofers will forever become an act of compromise. Available Models: g213 (click for specs and feature list) Model: g213-GLOSS SKU: 96237 Cabinet Finish: High-Gloss Black
    • Playback Designs System MS5
    I just never thought that I would sell my Meitner gear because for years IMO it was the leader of the pack. Not so fast any more as along came the PDS MS-5 which creates music as close to vinyl as the real thing
    • Studer Reel To Reel A-810
    A fully refurbished state of the art Studio reel to reel
    • Krell Theater Amplifier Standard
    This is used to drive my center channel, surround channels and rear channel. I use it only for home theater however when Krell releases their SACD standard in May, I will delve into multichannel audio. I continue to use a Krell FPB-750 mcX for my Wilson XS subwoofer. I use 6.1 and not 7.1 in my room
    • Wilson Audio WATCH Center Channel
    I have used many center channel speakers but have found this one to outperform anything that I have previously owned. I use it with its accompanying speaker stand centered right under my screen. Recently upgraded this center channel to Black Almondine to match my new X-2 series ll speakers
    • Wilson Audio WATCH Surround (left and right)
    A perfect compliment for my Wilson X-1/XS speakers.
    • Nordost Valhalla
    I use this in my front end. An unbelievably transparent interconnect. I was using Tara Labs The Zero which was magnificent but I feel the Valhalla is a notch above even though The Zero was priced at $12,500 for a 2 meter pair of balanced cables
    • Wilson Audio WATCH rear
    I decided on only 6.1 rather than 7.1 and am very impressed with this speaker in my home theater
    • Sim2 Triple Chip DLP Projector C3X 1080
    For those following the buzz on the internet this is the latest triple chip DLP from Sim that has a picture unequaled for projectors of this price and size
    • Isco 2.35 Anamorphic Lens Model lll
    Anamorphic 2.35 lens for Sim 2 projector
    • Stewart Filmscreen Firehawk G3 CineV 130
    A CIH screen with native 2.35 aspect ratio and 120 inch width. Masks to 16 x 9 as well
    • Sony BDP-S2000ES
    Sony's flagship Blu-ray Disc™ player, with astounding audio enhancements and vibration-reduction that deliver phenomenal results in a rock-solid design
    • Lexicon MC12B-HD v 1.2
    Most impressive about the MC-12 HD is its extensive custom processing capabilities. Four 32-bit floating-point DSP engines provide vast resources for such proprietary features as Logic 7, Auto Azimuth correction, five-speaker enhancement, bass enhancement, and dialog enhancement. Lexicon?s bass management system, digital crossovers and tone controls are also powered by these DSP engines. This processing is performed at sample rates up to 96kHz with 24-bit resolution to retain top performance from all input sources. A fifth DSP engine is dedicated to decoding Dolby Digital and DTS sources. Inside and out, the MC-12 HD is designed to accommodate potential hardware and software advancements with internal expansion, a removable rear panel access plate, and two RS-232 connectors.
    • Nordost Valhalla AES/EBU
    A digital cable with XLR (balanced)terminations. Used to connect the Krell kps25sc to the EMM Labs DAC 6
    • Nordost Valhalla
    Simply the best and most transparent cable I have ever used. I sold my Tara Labs The Omega for these cables. As great as the Omega was, I find there is no comparison with the Valhalla
    • Nordost Valhalla
    20 amp IEC power cables (one pair) used for my Audio Research Refernce 600 Mark lll mono amps. This resulted in immediate improvement in bass as well as producing a somewhat more dynamic sound.
    • Tara Labs RSC Gen 2
    Used in my home theater
    • Tara Labs RSC Air One
    5 pair of balanced cables used in my home theater
    • Tara Labs The One
    I have 2 of these in my front end. They made a big difference
    • Absolute Power Line Purifier
    Used in my home theater side. A very solid work horse
    • Aurios Pro MIb
    Decouplers. An absolute must in any system. I use these under my Krell kps25sc and Audio Research Reference ll Mark ll. I have also found dramatic improvement in my bass when used under my Wilson X-1 Grand Slamm speakers. These are sold exclusively at http://www.audionut.com Ask for Bob Williams. he will give you all of the theory behind this tweak.You can reach him at 1-877-944-5505
    • Acoustic Sciences Corporation Tube Traps
    The single best tweak to my room was to have ASC design room modifications (tube traps)according to the size of my room with the type of gear used. I have a total of 38 tube traps in the room in all sizes, varying from Super trap 20's, Super trap 16's and trap 13's, 11's and 9's. I did this in stages according to the plans provided by ASC and once finished I had a true 2C3D room. The walls are virtually invisible.
    • Acoustic Sciences Corporation Sound Planks
    Also part of the design rendered for my room by ASC. These sit at the front wall and have vastly improved the sound in the room.
    • Billy Bags AV Pro
    This is used for my home theater equiment
    • Billy Bags CD/DVD Stand
    Designrd specifically for my room I am able to store over 1000 CD's and/or DVD's
    • Zoethecus component stands Z.2/R (2 in all)
    Great looking, good support and excellent isolation
    • Zoethecus amp stands (3 in all) Z.block/1d
    Great looking with super isolation
    • Musical Fidelity Tube Output Buffer X-10v3
    high input impedance allowing me to drive my new JL Gotham subs without compromising my Audio Research Reference 3 preamp
    • Musical Fidelity Tube Output Buffer Power Supply
    Optional separate power supply for tube buffer which helps bass response from Gotham Subs
    • Transparent Reference (RSE) Interconnect
    20 foot pair from Tube Buffer Output to Gotham subs and one meter pair from ARC Ref3 to Tube Output Buffer
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Thank you Oneobgin. If I purchased a Ref 3 without the update I think I will let ARC do the work. Terminal Retinis Pigmentosa and nimbleness with soldering guns tend to be mutually exclusive (chuckles!)

guidocorona

Owner
First---the 6H30 and the 6550C fit the same pin socket

Second--the only cost was for the tube ($59).Rather than my sending my unit back to Audio Research and pay shiping both ways, I availed myself upon an authorized Audio Research service man here in the SF Bay Area (ARC has them all around the country)to do the update. ARC shipped the tube and the 4 bypass caps to him. I took my unit to his shop, waited all of 40 minutes for him to do it and that was it. Shipping from ARC to his shop was also charged to me. for a grand total of $85 all inclusive. BTW, if you are savvy, one can do the bypass caps themselves. It is a simple soldering issue. ARC however prefers either to do it themself or to have an authorized service man do it. It is not a big deal. It is interesting to me that your observation on the bass with the 6H30 tube and the 6550C tube was exactly what I noticed. It seemed a major improvement in the bass and to smooth out the upper end.

Remember as well that all "NIB" units coming off the line have this update.

oneobgyn

Very interesting Oneobgin, because perhaps the only remote flaw I could still find in the Ref 3 with 6H30 tubes was. . . a very slight looseness in the bass. Looks like ARC engineers and I hear music the same way.
As for the treble, I can't even think how it can be bettered as it is already so pleasing, except perhaps to increase its upper extension just slightly.
now two questions:
1. Are the 6H30 tubes and 6550C pin compatible, or in other words, can I swap them back and forth?
2. How much does ARC charge to update original Ref 3 units with new tubes and caps?

guidocorona

Owner
Guido

To sum up in a nut shell and to avoid flowery and prosaic paragraghs, what I have noticed with the upgrade on the Ref 3 is a better, tighter and more articulate bass and a smoother more enjoyable high frequency. It is however the change in the bottom end that was the most apparent (switching to the 6550C output tube). Adding the four bypass caps produced a more subtle change in the upper range.

As much as I liked the ARC Ref 2 Mk ll which I previously owned the newer ARC Ref 3 eclipses it by a huge margin. I knew that you would likeit as well. Remember that these changes are merely rolling line changes and if ordered now, will come with the upgrades.

oneobgyn

OneObGin, could you post a couple of paragraphs on the sonic differences of the Ref 3 before and after the 'treatment'?
Regardless, I do confess I find it a little difficult to contain my enthusiasm for Ref 3. But I also love the VAC Ren II. I truly should listen to them side-by-side before deciding. Ah, the drama continues!

guidocorona

Hi Guida

I posted to your thread.

I know I am biased but IMO the Ref 3 is the one to own

I did the upgrade several weeks ago with the addition of the by four by-pass caps and switching the output tube to the 6550C

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Hi, OB:

Sweet setup. You must be a very happy man! I own the Meitner DCC2 and CDSD, and the combo provides some of the best sound--analog or digital--I've ever heard. My VR-9s help a wee bit in that regard, I think. :) I heard the X-2s at a friend's house recently, and they're a very impressive speaker. Definitely among the best I've heard. The cabinet work is absolutely stunning--a real work of art. I would hate to be the poor bastard whose has to cut those things! Then again, I'm sure Dave Wilson pays pretty well.

hooper

All, yesterday I had the opportunity of auditioning at length the ARC Ref 3 and compared it to a VAC Ren Sig II. The ref 3 was extremely good and in the context of the audition, I definitely preferred it over the VAC Ren Sig II. You will find my detailed findings at:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1123254379&openfrom&58&4#58
See you there!

guidocorona

Owner
I just came across this recent review (Part one of three parts) on the X-2 that I thought made for interesting reading.
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/wilson_x2/

I have talked with Marc Mickelson about his experience and I know he is enamored with these speakers.

Parts 2 and 3 to follow.

oneobgyn

Owner
Ethan

Thank you for your kind comments. I enjoyed meeting you this past weekend and more than anything else being able to A/B my ARC Ref 3 preamp vs your Lamm L2 preamp. It was quite a revelation for me (as for you as well). I think both of us predicted beforehand that the L2 would hands down be the winner especially with my using Lamm amps. In spite of this and after a reasonable warm up for the L2, both of us concluded that the ARC Ref 3 provided an overall better sound. This does not mean that the L2 is an inferior preamp but rather it didn't provide the magic that the Ref 3 did. We were both left scratching our heads. I do understand that Vladimir is working on an L3. We will have to wait and see how the comparison goes then.

oneobgyn

This one of most musical systems I've heard yet! Superb imaging and coherency. Not exactly what I expect a low power system to look and sound like! All integrated with home theater and remote control, you've got to be kidding! This only thing missing is room service.

ethannnn

Thank you so much OneObGin for your excellent help in my grand quest. I am delighted to see how my little thread on VAC/AARC -- now VAC/ARC Aesthetix is rapidly turning into a small goldmine of valuable first-hand findings from all the most knowledgeable agoners on the subject

guidocorona

Owner
Guido

I took the opportunity of posting to that site as you requested.

oneobgyn

Oneobgin, if you and all would like to help me make up my mind on my next linestage, please visit me at:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1123254379&openmine&zzGuidocorona&4&5#Guidocorona
Thanks a bunch, Guido

guidocorona

Owner
System Edit

Recently Audio Reseach began a rolling "line change" on their Ref 3 preamp. Specifically they began adding 4 bypass caps as well as switching out the 6L6GC output tube for the 6550C. The predicted overall effect would be to tighten up the bass (6550C effewct) as well as open up the high end (by pass caps effect).

I received mine back several days ago and it is now going through the proverbial "burn in." My initial impression however is a better defined bass. I have yet to make up my mind on the high end but I still don't have enough burn in time yet.

More to follow.

oneobgyn

Owner
GD

How correct you are.

When it comes to the Lamm ML 2.1 and bass I am learning that it is the quality and not the quantity of the bass. When I spoke to the people at Wilson Audio re the Lamm ML 2.1 vs the ARC 610T, I was told that both are excellent amps BUT if I wanted bass slam, I should consider staying with the 610T however if I wanted an amp that is musical in every respect, I should consider the Lamm. I talked to Marc Mickelson, the editor at Soundstage.com and he reiterated exactly the same feelings. The rest is history. I have been into this hobby since 1972 and in that time have owned many different and very expensive amps. Having installed the Lamm into my system has opened a dimension of musicality that I never before would have imagined existed. I have had 5 different members of my Bay Area Audio Society at my house as well as other listeners and everyone has collectively been astonished as to how good these amps really are.

Here is a link on avsforum.com that a member posted after being to my house for a private audition

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=563923

oneobgyn

Even though I have not listened to your X2 with the Lamms, I am hardly suprised that you are happy with this combo. If I were you I would have started that way. My own Apogees are power hungry speakers and therefore limit the choice of low power amps but with the efficiency of the X2, 18WPC Lamm should be a good match.

I myself have an amp (Audio Valve Challengers) that I could hang on to for life and forget about buying a better amp but alas it cannot drive the Apogess well at its own. If I ever switch to dynamic speakers (unlikely though for my taste), I could stay with the Audio Valve amps

Besides, it is the quality of the power more than the number. Moreover, the bass of the X2 can be overwhelming if not done right. When I was at your place for a listening (with AR References), the bass was knocking my socks off :) I am not a big bass fan but I prefer the right amount of bass. I think with the Lamms, you would have just about the right bass but with more musicality.

gallant_diva

Owner
Kobiman

I am surprised because Wilson speakers are not meant to be biamped. As best I know the only way would be to feed signal to the upper modules but after the bypass. The downside is that with a full load the drivers could be fried.

Now, however with an 18 wpc SET such as the Lamm ML 2.1 I suppose this could be done however it is not anything that I would do. Simply put, the ML 2.1 amps on the X-2 performs magic. It is beyond belief as real as anything that I have ever before heard and I have owned many amps over the past 33 years.

My listening room is

18'w x 31'l x 9'h (but it is a cathedral ceiling and slopes to 12 feet high at the inside of the room.

As for music tastes, everything except rap and country western

oneobgyn

I saw it somewhere in the magazine, there is an set up use X1 drive by 2 pair of ML2, do you ever think to bi amp your X2? Since you also Owned X1, maybe you can tell us a bit more, as far as I know the X2 is not allow to use bi amp set up, but so does the X1. I guess there must be a trick of doing that.
oh, BTW how big is your listening room? what kind music do you listen to?
Thanks in advance.
Enjoy the music.

kobiman

Owner
Tim

Here is a link to some updated photos which I am not sure that you have seen

http://homepage.mac.com/imacdoyou86/PhotoAlbum52.html

oneobgyn

Owner
Hi Timo

As for SS, these amps will always sound good with Wilson speakers. I did use Krell 750 Mcx when I had my X-1's. These were 750 wpc. Then when I switched to X-2's I sold the Krell and bought ARC 600 Mk lll's. These were absolutely terrific if you didn't mind the heat generated. These are 600 wpc and although tubes still possessed reasonably good bass slam.

I was to have bought the newer ARC 610T but for reasons that aren't worth mentioning the deal went south. I then decided to look at my options and after considering many different tube amps ( I won't go back to SS) I decided that I was going to do an about face and went with the Lamm ML 2.1 SETat 18 wpc. I agonized at how they would sound but I spoke to the people at Wilson who BTW just bought a pair for themselves, spoke to Marc Mickelson the Editor of Soundstage who uses them with his Maxx ll and to Vladimir Lamm as well as members of our BAAS. Everyone had no doubt that not only would they perform but that they would perform well. I bought them on a blind leap of faith and the rest is history. Never have I appreciated music as I do now. As Mike Lavigne stated in an earlier thread, it is like a honeymoon. The midrange to these amps is about as real as the real thing. In spite of 15" woofers and only 18wpc, I can drive these amps to volumes which for me is unpleasant and still not make the amps clip. There is still bass but now I would say that the bass is qualitative and not quantitative. To my ears there is just nothing lacking with these amps.

oneobgyn

OB,

I know you've been asked this already, but what changed your mind about purchasing the ARC 610T's? Although, it does seem like the Lamm's certainly are filling the void left from the ARC 600's. Do the Lamm's offer anything more than the ARC 600's or do you still plan to purchase the 610T's someday?

timo2000

OB,

Thanks again for the opportunity to audition the LAMM-driven
Wilson Alexandria system.

I have to heartily agree with the others that have auditioned
your system; the 18 wpc LAMMS do an excellent job at driving
the Wilson Alexandrias!

The obvious concern was that 18 wpc would not handle the X-2s.
That turns out not to be the case. The X-2s were able to
play cleanly at volumes that would be too loud for my taste.

The clarity and detail of the sound of the LAMM-driven X-2s
was excellent. The X-2s were singing sweeter than ever.

The choice of the LAMM monoblocks for driving the X-2s
should now be unquestioned.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist

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Thank you again OneObGyn. Please keep us posted.

Guido

guidocorona

Owner
Guidocorona

Let me say first that we all have different tastes just as we all hear differently. To that extent therefore I must confess that the sonic signature of the ARC Ref 3 is one that just lights up my ears but to a greater extent than even its predecessor the Ref 2 Mk ll.

Having said that I recall at CES 2004 hearing the large Von Schweikert VR 11's bring driven by VAC amps and preamp. I thought the room IMO was the best in show. I went back several times over the week for repeat listening. One might argue however, and rightly so, that much,if not all of the great sound was directly related to the VR 11's.

I really enjoyed the PHI. Aesthetically it is also very appealing.

Now as far as the cost to bring the Ref 3 to current standard I was told some minor hourly charge as well as the charge for the new 6550C. Having said this, I am hoping that they will send me the "bypass caps" as it is a 5 minute soldering job which is quite simple. They told me that the socket for the existing output tube works for the 6550C. I will verify that again on Monday.

oneobgyn

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