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My 2 channnel Stereo rig resides in the basement.

Room dimension are 14x19. The speakers are 6 10 " apart setup in an equalateral triangle.

I have the speakers 3.5 feet from the front and back walls (back wall distance varies depending on where I place my listening chair)

The imaging is solid now I'm currently working on improving overall depth and soundstaging

The room acoustics in this room are quite complicated The room is a difficult layout with lot's of restrictions. GIK Acoustics room treatments have helped to even out the room nodes

but there is still quite a bit of tinkering left

Ideas/suggestions how to further improve the existing layout and performance is welcome !

Thanks for stopping by
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    • Dodd Audio 120 Monoblocks
    120 Watt el34 Push Pull Design Upgraded with Chrome Finish
    • Ridge Street Sason LTD
    Musical epiphany right here
    • Exemplar Audio 2900
    Upgraded Siltech Wiring
    • Reality Cables Custom Shotgun
    Bi Wired Config
    • KCI silkWorms 1 metre
    Interconnects Amp to Pre pre to cdp
    • Lenco L-75 Jean Nantais with Upgrades
    Lenco L-75 in a Wooden Plinth with Audiomods Arm and Ortofon 2m Bronze Paul Hynes Phono stage

Comments 115

Owner
Thanks Samhar
The room she's a beauty alright
The music is starting to flow in a good way
Cheers
Pat

musicfile

Owner
System edited: Experimenting with speaker positoning speakers pushed back and toed in ..so far so good

musicfile

That's great!!!! I'm glad to hear your finding a solution to a very challenging situation!!

samhar

Owner
Those russian pio caps in the dodds did the trick
A bit more speaker postioning and the system is dialing in

musicfile

Owner
System edited: Coupling caps upgraded on the Dodds ..burning them in as we speak more later

musicfile

Owner
Thanks Dan
All the best !!
Pat

musicfile

Well, I tried, Pat. At least it sounds very good to you right now, as is, so relax and enjoy it. Near-field listening has it's own rewards, as well.

My best to you,
Dan

islandmandan

Owner
Hi Dan
Thanks for stopping by and offering up some suggestions
to my room quandries

your idea is a good one ! and i'm sure under different situation this placement would would work very well, but you knew this was coming the "room" acts as our living room area and by moving the speakers to fire along the short wall this leaves little room for the couch and television and makes for a cramped space ..something the family will not go for ...Thanks for trying ..perhaps my next house

Another option is to swing my speakers to the opposite wall this could work quite well. The only drawback is my listening chair would be situated under the lowest part of the ceiling ..and that creates it's own set of issues

Perhaps my next house ..

Cheers
Pat

musicfile

Hi Pat, I've studied the photo's of your room as well as I can, and giving the limitations imposed by the views presented, I would like to make a suggestion, that being, if possible, re-orient your system ninety degress, so you can have more room for speaker set-up. An equilateral trianlge looks fairly impossible to achieve, giving you a very near-field listening situation. Try just moving the speakers temporarily the other firing direction, and see how it sounds. I may be mistaken, but looks as though in the photos that it might be achieveable to make the move that way. I finally moved my system 90 degrees, and it sounded like I must have dropped thousands more into my speakers, say going from the 5.4 Contours to up the Dynaudio line quite a bit more. Just a suggestion, but it might make a difference for you. It may present more problems though, but you never know until you try.

Enjoy, regards,
Dan

islandmandan

Owner
Steveallen,

Thanks for chiming in and providing your input

I will try to answer your questions above one by one

My speakers are positioned in an equalateral triangle 6'7"
measuring from the middle of the speakers
My speakers are 4 feet from the front wall as per the manufacturer recommendations the further out the better
My listening chair is 4 feet from the back walls

I would love to move the left speaker approx 24 inches as you suggested but that is not possible as there is a diagonal wall in the way that prevents this from being a viable option also my electronics is right next to the left speaker if you look at pictures

Next home perhaps I can really here what these particular Sasons are capable of for the time being I continue to enjoy the music

Any other suggestions taking into consideration the room and it's challenges are very much appreciated

Pat

musicfile

From the pics it looks as if your speakers are WAY to close together and your sitting on top of them.

My suggestion: Move the spkrs about 6 inches back.Move your left speaker to the left a minimum of 24 inches.Move listening chair accordingly. You really should try to move the chair back some if possible, w/o screwing up the sound.

I don't recall ever having speakers and chair all so confined.Usually I like a 10'-12'triangle for listening but, that isn't possible in that room.

My first priority when looking for a home is, will the room make for decent sound. It throw's realitors off big time.

steveallen

Owner
Good suggestion Oregon - I did that last night
Nice improvement

The room despite the angles is sounding really very good at the moment ..

Thanks for all your help

musicfile

Try throwing a thick blanket over the tv when listening.

oregon

Owner
System edited: Shuffled things up a bit new pics of the room

musicfile

You will probably need somewhere between a 30 degree and 45 degree toe-in to achieve a crossing point of about 1.5' - 2' in front of the listener. Using the laser will help. The benefit of toeing in this dramatically is usually a wider sweet spot and less impact of side wall reflections. Of course the type of speaker will have some say in that.

Once set up a laser and some flat mirrors can help you identify the reflection points. If you want to look into this further go here:

http://www.decware.com/paper14.htm

clio09

Music,
If you have a laser light, use it to get the speakers crossed in front of you. Place the light on top of the speaker and toe it in until the light is 2 feet in front of you.
You can also try having the light (speakers toed out) from the rt. speaker point an inch or two to the outside of your right ear. Same with the left.
***Be careful not to look into the light***
The deHavilland is an excellent preamp.

oregon

Owner
Any idea what angle of toe in I would need to cross 2 feet in front of me. I currently have them toed in about 15 %

musicfile


Well here is my 2 (two) cents worth. Toe the speakers in so they cross over about 2 feet in front of you.
If that doesn't work sell your preamp and call me, I will sell you a deHavilland Ultra Verve Preamp. That should put a smile on your face.

sounds_real_audio

Owner
Oregon
It's one of JN older designs
Back in the day it was one of Jean's show pieces he used to demo
I'm using an Ortofon 2m Bronze
Thanks for the compliments
Pat

musicfile

Very nice set up!
The Lenco looks fabulous. Is this a DIY rebuild?
Which cart are you using?
Thanks and enjoy.

oregon

Owner
System edited: Opinions needed to elevate the system to that next level

musicfile

Owner
System edited: Played around with speaker positioning The speakers are now further apart better soundstaging

musicfile

Much thanks and I love the speakers/amps in your rig, sweet.

macdadtexas

Owner
System edited: Lenco L-75 added as well as a Paul Hynes Phonstage on the way. Feeling pretty good at the moment

musicfile

Owner
Jumping into the vinyl game stay tuned ...

musicfile

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