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a continuing journey.

the electronics and most of the cables are pretty solid. finishing the rives design (I specified a mostly diy solution) and playing with isolation a little.

moving toward an increased focus on software ...
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    • Bow Technologies ZZ8
    with remote, 24 bit
    • VPI Industries Aries
    rock solid
    • VPI SDS
    Speed controller
    • VPI Industries JMW-9 Memorial Tonearm
    JMW-9
    • cartridge man isolator
    cartridge/tonearm decoupler
    • Benz Micro MC 2
    Wood L-2 (0.4 mV)
    • vpi tonearm cable
    vpi tonearm cable
    • Timbernation TT Platform
    3" Maple platform for Aries
    • VPI tweaks Aries Upgrades
    1. aries 2 leg upgrade 2. black wide belt upgrade 3. dropped weight
    • supratek syrah
    the best tube preamp under $10k... if you can find one!
    • speltz anti-cable
    wow. wow. wow.
    • nordost SPM Speaker bi-wire bi-amp
    doubled up the spades and just runs the "full" side of the Gallos.
    • Gallo Reference SA (Sub-Amp)
    got it... worth the wait
    • Wegrzyn Copper Slam (sub cable)
    Made to my spec. A 4 AWG cable running from the Gallo SA to the voice coil of the Reference III's
    • Gallo Acoustics Nucleus Reference III
    Wow! The reviewers got this one right...
    • Bright Start Audio GR-3 Stands
    Sand filled stands
    • Chang Lightspeed CLS-9600 ISO
    coupled with JPS extension box
    • Rives Audio Level 1 design
    we're working on it...
    • DIY Flexy
    Shelves are glued up slabs made from 1X2's Uprights and hardware are from a Salamander
    • Final Daruma II
    Roller isolators--made a surprising amount of difference
    • Dared VP 300B Monoblocks
    300B chinese tube amp. starting with the Shugang 300B tubes. will try biamping the gallos, but really bought to drive stax earphones
    • aurios mib with upgraded balls
    gotta get the upgraded balls!
    • Stax SRD7-II and Stax Lambda's
    oldies but goodies. driven by SET. big upgrade from my old(er) stax phones
    • McCormack DNA-0.5
    started life as a simple DNA 0.5... add the SMC rebuildS... now it is up to Steve's platinum level

Comments 60

Owner
Mjnaudio:

1. Stands: there is a brief review of them in the recent TAS and I agree with the positives in that review. These are very helpful if you like to play your music loud, and I find that they add some refinement at low levels. Also, I really appreciated that they raised the sweet spot (some percieved tonal difference).

2. The SA: also really like it--both firms up the bottom end and makes the mids and upper frequencies sound more effortless (still trying to make sense of this because it is completely independent of the the mains, so it may be an effect of continuing break in of my amplifier which was recently upgraded to SMC Platinum level). I'm running the SA through Nordost SPM's (my set of SPM's was biamp/biwire) and hear the expected speed. I have some other cables I was considering for the bass, but probably won't bother...

It does not come "set up" out of the box, you'll need to diddle some switches (a red light means power to the unit, but not turned on by the way). The binding posts are cheesy plastic ones.

bgrazman

Please comment on the effect of placing the Gallos on the stands. Also, how 'bout the impact of the Gallo SA sub-amp. I love my Reference 3's, but always looking for the next increment of performance.

mjhaudio

Owner
System edited: Updated the analog section. Listed the benz even though it won't be here for a week.

bgrazman

Owner
System edited: Updated a number of things (mostly the SA & some tweaks). Need to update the photos. Continuing to implement the Rives design and that, combined with the system changes has me feeling pretty good. I welcome any suggestions/opinions, so everybody feel free to jump in.

bgrazman

Owner
System edited: With the gallo sa promised to me next week, here's what I've done: Mains: full range: McCormack bass: SA Earphones: tape out > Dared 300B >Stax

bgrazman

Owner
I am blown away by the effect of putting my CDP & pre-amp on final daruma ball bearings...

Also playing around with the 300b SET amp on the gallos. surprising sound from a 7 watt amplifier. Should be fun to combine this with the sa (when it finally arrives)

bgrazman

Owner
Tboooe: Just realized: I have two different racks in the pictures.

One is a Boltz rack (designed for LP's) that I used while making the flexi.

bgrazman

Owner
Streetdaddy: I made the resonators--sealed half cylinder (diameter = distance between studs) lined with rigid glass insulation

Tbooooooe: I also made the rack--it's based on the flexi-diy design. The shelves are 2X1's glued up (kind of like butcher block), the uprights are threaded rods (you can find points like I have if you pick the right diameter). Then shelves are held on with nut/steel washer/rubber washer/shelf/rubber washer/steel washer/nut assemblies.

bg

bgrazman

hi, what kind of audio rack is that?

tboooe

Where did you get the resonators? Did yo make them?

streetdaddy

Owner
System edited: changes posted. am trying to find opinions: upgrade the ZZ8 to 24 bit ($2500-3000) OR new DAC? thanks, brent

bgrazman

Owner
System edited: New CDP Amp is undergoing next set of mods Room keeps plugging along (just changed to a wool rug--didn't think it would sound different but it does).

bgrazman

Owner
Just found out that I'm getting the door to my listening room installed for a fathers day present... not a waf issue--she just didn't know what to get me...

It's a component of the rives design I haven't gotten to you...

bgrazman

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Brent,
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Thanks for getting into the details of how the sound has changed and the Rives comments.
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Please do keep us updated as to how the room improves while you continue to the Rives recommendations.
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Rgds,
Larry
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cello

Owner
Larry,

Thanks for your comments--it's been a long path, but it's the journey that's been fun.

In terms of Rives:
1. Great experience--they are a pleasure to work with
2. I've chosen to go the "DIY" route for as much as possible...
3. Having said that, I find:
Much much better bass (counterintuitively, adding the bass abosrbing treatments adding perceived power & control)

Better imaging (was already pretty good, but as I continue to build out the plan I keep getting better)

I'm not convinced they had the best speaker placement recomendation, but everytime I add something to the room, I go back & check again...

4. Design is "clean" and was developed with my input--desires, plans, aesthetics, etc.

For me, the Rives design included what seemed like a lot; everything from room layout, tuned resonators, absorbers, diffuser, ceiling treatment, floor treatment, window treatments, add a door & its treatment, etc. so it is very much a work in progress....

brent

bgrazman

Brent,
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Very nice system - Congratulations.
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Please give us your impressions of the differences that the Rives Audio room design yielded. I am thinking about using them for my room.
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A suggestion.....try a set of Symposium Rollerblocks under both of the Supratek boxes. Great results for not a lot of money. Also try rolling them under the amp and pre-amp. I have them under every component except for my TT.
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Rgds,
Larry
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cello

Owner
System edited: new pictures added

bgrazman

Owner
System edited: changed dac, room keeps coming along... wish I was home more to work on it

bgrazman

Brent,i heard the Gallos at my local dealer with Cary SS amp tube pre,and Cary CD,and they sounded great,just the right presence,the 3 drivers integrated VERY well ,no boxy sound at all,good soundstage,big sweet spot,dont need to keep your head in one spot,,,and they sound good with rock too,unlike some fairly expensive speakers ive heard!!

raytheprinter

Brent - nice system, let us know how the room works out.

Hey Dida - post your system

pops

Owner
System edited: Putting the Rives Design into place... Placement, absorbers, resonators & bass traps done. More to come...

bgrazman

Owner
am a decent way through the rives specced room... changed the geometry & have built or bought and installed:
a bunch of absorbers
a pair of mondo traps (realtraps)
carpeting
passive resonators (tuned)

Huge differences in sound and I can't wait to get through the rest of the build.

The room really is a key components... pictures to follow

bgrazman

Nice looking system. I got slammed for my amp... but my speakers are O.K. : )

no_money

Owner
Room design is in, now I'm trying to source & build all of the resonators, diffusers, absorbers... lots of money absorbers in there...

If anybody knows where to get Corning 703 rigid f'glass, please drop me a line.

Thanks,
bg

bgrazman

Keep us posted on your work with Rives. If you implement according to the final plans, you will be stunned at the results. Richard and Chris are wizards, alchemists, and artists!

Nice choices in system components as well. Good job!

slipknot1

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