Dimensions: 31’ × 18’ X large
Ceiling: 12’
http://www.technics.com/download/brochures/uk/SL1000R_SP10R_EU_Print.pdf
HI Albert. I noticed your SP10 MK3 Rosewood Table with STILLPOINTS ULTRA 5;S . Do you screw the ULTRA 5'S all the way so that they actually touch the bottom of the Rosewood PLINTH, or do you leave a little gap. If so, did you try it both ways and if so what was your take away?
Jwm
I have vacuum hold down for my table and have not found a record yet that I can not play.
Zephyr24069
Definitely agree that the games the providers play is maddening. At one point a few years ago, I actually had to get an attorney lined up and make my ISP (who is now serving us well in our new neighborhood) aware of the potential arrangement to get them to stop sending Level1 techs and subcontractors to the house who knew nothing and who only sought to test, re-test and test again the lines in my house and blame 'my equipment' or 'changes I had made" for issues in their lines that were exacerbated by heavy periods of rainfall.
Zephyr24069
My DOCSIS v3 cable modem does not provide a Wireless Router function so I have it hard-wired to my Netgear X6. If the ISP router supplied in the your install has a WiFi router function then you'll need to evaluate which is the faster of the 2 and run only that one (IMHO)
Ah...Google Fiber; we all can dream! Definitely check out the X6 and now the X7.
We have Charter here delivering 60MB on download which surprisingly measures higher than that using speedtest.net repeatedly even during peak periods.
Similarly good results for Oppo 105D (own one as well) for Netflix and other apps which has proven stable and reliable on the Charter link.
The Netgear X6 I wrote about above is the first that lets me have the full bandwidth of the incoming cable line actually passed on to any WiFi-connected device. Expect the X7 router from Netgear capable of the same.
As far as DSL services, I have avoided them, as a matter of preference and capability. Here's two interesting links on DSL types
Swampwalker
.....can recommend an advanced amateur digital SLR? We've got some decent point and shoot for snapshots but my wife would like to get back to doing some more "artistic" photography when she retires next year.
We've both used film SLRs in the past (Canon Rebel) but neither of us has done much more than snapshooting w digital cameras. The plethora of unnecessary features and impenetrable nested menus real make them difficult to use...
Mapman
That camera is very cool. I'll be very interested to see what it can do. Some new stereo imaging and maybe low light related twists on conventional home photography should be possible, especially out of a smaller package..
Jfrech
That is a cool camera. Love the fresh idea. How much is it? Couldn't find it in the website...
Zephyr24069
..we ending up going with the Samsung UN55HU8550FXZA (55" non-curved) which at the time (the 8550 engine/panel) bested everything else we looked at. Now that LG has resolved the lack of 4K support, their OLED has got to be the best display on the market, bar none.....
Marqmike
I am looking forward to being there. I hope I get to spend some serious time there. It seems like in the past I only allowed a morning or afternoon. Hopefully not this time. Have a good time Albert.
Swampwalker
So Albert- are you saying the Jremote app swwill allow you to control a windows music server from an iOS device without any other hardware?
Swampwalker
So Albert- are you saying the Jremote app swwill allow you to control a windows music server from an iOS device without any other hardware?
Siddh
I also have the Supreme...haven't re-mounted since installing the Coralstone. If, memory serves well, the Coralstone offers similar extension with a bit denser midrange. Very pleasing. Have you played with Rick's High Fidelity cables? I recently purchased his Helix speaker cable, and it has brought out even more from the Coralstone.
Mikelavigne
I have the original pressing. It is a great recording for demo purposes as far as soundstage and acoustic precision. As far as the music, I have to be in the right mood to get into it, but when I am I really enjoy it.
This also quite apparent on the following track, "late hone tonight part one" the missile explosion at the end of the track is mind-blowing on the original.
Have startled many folks with this one :-)
07-24-15: Rockitman
I now prefer NOS RCA JAN spec 5U4G
How is it better? I'll get one and try it out.
Knghifi
Legacy
Walker was posthumously inducted into the Blues Hall of Fame in 1980,[9] and into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1987.[8][10]
Chuck Berry named Walker and Louis Jordan as his main influences.[11] B.B. King cites hearing Walker's "Stormy Monday" record as his inspiration for getting an electric guitar.[12] Walker was admired by Jimi Hendrix who imitated Walker's trick of playing the guitar with his teeth.[5] "Stormy Monday" was a favorite live number for The Allman Brothers Band.
MF has the new AirTight Magnum Opus, but JV also mentioned that he has one in one of his recent reviews. It is hard to imagine that there might be a cartridge better than the Supreme. It's pretty exciting, though the price is quite something. I wonder if it too was developed on an SME arm.
Regarding your Vibraplanes, I can suggest that your amplifiers might sound better if placed on these platforms. I was surprised, but I have one under each of my SS Pass amps and they did improve the sound. It improved further when I pre loaded them with ballast plates as I did for the one under my SME turntable.
Even though the SME is already suspended, the suspension towers work primarily to isolate the platter from the motor. Overall system energy is drained down through the towers which rest on steel ball footers. This is all improved when placed on the pre loaded Vibraplane. I don't know how effective a Vibraplane would be under other suspended tables, but I'm sure it is excellent under your MK3.
Anyway, it seems like you continue to push your envelope and enjoy the fruits of your considerable efforts. I've got to visit you for one of your Tuesday night sessions someday.
Babybear
Hi Albert,
Thanks for the info on the Valvo. I have that same Valvo GZ34 with black base and had tried it previously and ended up preferring the 5Y3 directly heated rectifier tubes. But I did that comparison before I started using the Takatsuki 300B voltage regulator tubes. So, perhaps it might be worthwhile trying them again now that I am using the Takatsuki 300b's.
When I did the fuse comparisons in the H5000, I liked everything about the Hi Fi Tuning Supreme but the Infinity 2Power Platinum fuse had a little better overall transparency and texture to the sound with a bit more punch in the bass. The Synergistic RED fuse seemed to impart an overall more analytical sound than either of the other 2 when used in H5000. I am not sure of the price but I think it was around $110 or so at the time (I had that fuse for a little while now as I was using it in my preamp).
Johnp
Albert,
Had a great time last night. I especially enjoyed the T-Bone Walker music from the 40's. Thanks for being such a gracious host.
Babybear
HI Albert,
Which Valvo rectifier tubes are you using in the Allnic H5000 phono stage?
I have done a comparison of 3 different aftermarket fuses for the H5000. The Hi Fi Tuning Supreme, the Synergistic Research RED fuse and the Infinity 2power Platinum fuse. All 3 are better sounding to me than the stock fuse, but my favorite in the H5000 is the Infinity 2power Platinum fuse.
Musicmann1
HI Albert. Can you describe in which ways the ULTRA 5'S improved the sound? Also which way did you orientate them (flat side under the amp, or flat side pointing away (pointing toward the amp stand that the amps sit on )?
Rockitman
Larry Marcus at Paragon is a Koetsu dealer. He uses the coralstone with boron. When I broke mine, I asked him about the diamond cantilever and was it worth considering the upgrade....he felt it had too much zing up top...of course everyone's system is voiced differently. I had my cart rebuilt with boron.
Ddriveman
Hi Albert,
Over the last couple of days, I have been fortunate to listen to a loaner Koetsu Coralstone Diamond Cantilever cartridge in my setup and compared it to my standard Coralstone platinum (boron cantilever). Using same TT, same arm, headshell and headshell leads. The diamond cantilever certainly performs at a higher level.
Ysound
Hello Albert,
Have you gotten around with the 6H30DR for the REF250?
Ddriveman
Albert,
You might want to try the Coralstone with Diamond cantilever. A couple of audiophiles with experienced and trusted ears say that it's better and has higher resolution and detail. This could bridge the gap between the standard Coralstone and Airtight in the areas of detail and resolution while keeping all the benefits of the Coralstone in the mids.
Siddh
Hi Albert. How's the Koetsu performing? What led to repurchase of the Coralstone?
Thanks, Steve
Ddriveman
Hi Albert,
Could you try to contract the differences between the Burma Jade, Jade and Coralstone Koetsu please. I have only heard the Coralstone and the Onyx and am very curios as to what the other stone body Koetsu's bring.
Ddriveman
Albert,
Thanks for your inputs on your Vibraplanes. That's one area of my system that is still weak i.e. stands and isolation platforms.
Siddh
Hi Albert,
Thanks for the response. I also have an Air Tight Supreme...it really is supreme, but occasionally I play a Koetsu Urishi for a bit more midrange bloom. Within days I yearn for the extension and dynamic swing offered by the Supreme. I have often considered the Coralstone, in hopes to get the best from both worlds...delineation, and body and soul.
Coralstone is not king of resolution, as you state, but in your system does it leave you wanting?
Ddriveman
Hi Albert,
My I know which model Vibraplane isolation platforms you are using? Active 2212/2214 or passive 2210 ??
Siddh
Hi Albert. How's the Koetsu performing? What led to repurchase of the Coralstone?
Thanks, Steve
Zmanastronomy
I love the Focal speakers. I have a pair in my HT system that really liven the surround sound up very well.
As far as the Supreme fuses breaking in... it's a must.
They will get more body to the instruments and more focus in the imaging.
The lower noise floor will give more space the each instrument on the stage. I'm using 4 Supremes in my system, and it seems to be accumulative in cleaning up the power.
Like you said, several has the same effect as adding a better PC into the system.
Have a great evening Albert.
Jfrech
Hi Richard,
I have experimented...first I like these Hi Fi tuning fuses. I had all gold...now moving my way to all sliver. I can hear a difference in directionality. I can't really always tell which way I like however...
Richardkrebs
Albert.
Great to read about your positive experience with the premium fuses.
A friend has tried a different brand of silver based fuses and we found, to our amazement, that they are very directional....
I believe that other users have found that the HFTS is also a directional.
Wondering if you have experimented with this?
Babybear
Hi Albert - sounds like you achieved very good results with the Hi Fi Tuning Supreme fuses. I just pulled the fuse from the Allnic H5000 but my eyes are giving me trouble reading the correct fuse value. It looks like it is a 5A fuse - is that correct? Also is it a slow blow or fast blow fuse?
Zmanastronomy
I've had the same experience with the Supreme fuses in my system. Cleaning up the power supply is definitely an under rated subject.
By the way... Your systems looking fantastic.
No doubt about the gain diff between RCA and XLR. I have not tried any exotic fuses in the H5000. There is only one for the PS chassis, correct ?Correct, but I have not swapped any fuses except the new Allnic M3000 amps,
I agree...I love this phono stage...the TAK's for voltage control regulation were a significant upgrade.
Are the xlr outs transformer coupled ? Probably a good question for Mr Park.
Hey !! It's been awhile. Hope all is going great. Alli graduated from high school Friday. I still remember her watching cartoons and eating chocolates on your sofa as we talked.
A few posts above you're contemplating the new hi fi tuning black (mostly silver) fuses. I have 4, replacing the hi fi tuning gold fuses in my phono stage, dac, clock and transport. I have to say I'm impressed. Nearly like upgrading a power cord.
So what changed besides the KT150s in the MK2? Bigger transformers ... Still 140 wpc?
Cdrc
Listen to "Swea Pea" from I told you so on OJC # 824. On of the finest Basie tunes from the 70s. Wonderful drumming, wonderful horns, wonderful classic riding-on ball-bearings rythym section, wonderful sounstaging, dynamic range and wonderful drama that just sucks you into the tune having you begging for more. I'm not a big Basie fan of the 70s but this is indeed the definitive 70s Basie tune. Enjoy!
Albert - I believe I have this same 15 IPS tape dub. Count Basie in Los Angeles June 1961 - according to the tape notes. Tape Stickers say "Basie Party"
Mapman
Albert what was the Basie recording?
"Fancy Pants" is a very good sounding standard issue that I am familiar with.
Jwm
Albert have you heard both the smooth plate and ribbed Telefunken 12ax7. What are the differences and what did you like? Thanks Jeff
I agree with you that the Supreme's tonal balance is superb, at least on the SME long arm. I'm curious to learn what it is about a cartridge's design that affects tracking. Compliance, stylus shape?
So what's the final verdict on the L5000? Has the past issues been resolved? Have you replaced the L3000 with L5000 in your system?
Jwm
Albert you should post what music you play for the group on Tuesday and give us your critique. This could lead us to buy more music. We need your weekly updates.
Tonight we begin with stock EH 300B tubes in the Allnic D5000 and after a few hours replaced them with Takatsuki 300B.
This was a serious upgrade, much more transparent and live sounding along with better dynamics and speed. Overall these 300B played much larger with deeper soundstage and my impressions are the bass might be going deeper as well.
Ill develop a better sense of the upgrade over time. Its only been one evening but Im very pleased so far and everyone in attendance agreed with what was heard.
Regarding suggestions, the only other 300B Ive tried is the Kron and I hate to say it, but the stock cheap Russian Electro-Harmonix was better in this circuit. In the Allnic this tube is related to voltage control rather than making power as it would be required to do in an amplifier circuit.
These Takatsuki tubes are expensive and if the EML 300B XLS sounds as good for less money I welcome that option. I will actively work toward giving the EML a try.
Gsm18439
FWIW. . . The Takatsukis are available from Amazon. The fulfilment is by Amtrans.
Rockitman
Arnie and Albert...are you hearing improvements with rolling the H5000 DHT 300B's. Those Takatsuki's are awful expensive for a test....to see if they work better than stock.
Rockitman
Babybear
Hi Albert,
I am glad that you are enjoying the Takatsuki 300B tube in the Allnic H5000 Phono Stage and you are hearing the same improvements that I heard with this tube compared to the stock EH 300B tube.
Albert, Your reason for a "Best Christmas in years" I fully understood.
That is what it's all about and I wish you more of those, plus a very Happy New Year.
Please keep me informed if they make a Kron substitute for the Marconi's. Have you found any sound benefit rolling the 300B's in the power supply ? Those tubes are expensive for the best one's.
Ketcham
I emailed KS and he stated all L5000 manufactured from January, 2011 have the upgraded transformer.
The KRON tubes are well built and without issue. There was no need to float them on the pins and off the chassis.
Just to confirm, the L5000 MK2 mentioned above is the same as the L5000DHT? How about hum and noise levels? Very low and better than L3000?
12-09-14: Ketcham
I remember discussing this topic over on audioshark. I am almost certain there were no transformer upgrades for the L5000. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Albert,
can you give an update on KT150s. Are you satisfied with them and suggest others to upgrade their 250s with KT150s ?
My favorite line from last night was, "Even those who believe their system is perfectly set up are always just one record-clamp away from hearing something new and starting all over again." So true. Good times.
Not analytically, just let music wash over you. Unlike other standard component, or even cable upgrades, the change is more subtle yet more pertinent, at the same time. By eliminating noise/hash etc, music seems more meaningful and as such the listening experience more intense (in a relaxing way
Art Dudley is as devout and fervent regarding analog front ends as you. For this reason his praise of the Allnic DAC is noteworthy in its ability to reproduce music at such a satisfying level.
I agree with your DHT amplifier comment, stellar sound with less than stellar measurements.
Thanks Albert. I was curious, because you are always looking for ways to refine your system, and every time I read accounts on the forums by users of these devices, they seem to consider it a life changing experience, in the context of their music system that is.
Hi Albert,
There's an ongoing thread regarding the Allnic DHT DAC. It revolves around poor measurements noted by JA of Stereophile. Art Dudley who reviewed it and actually listened to it found it to sound wonderful. You obviously find the Allnic DAC to be superb given your and your group's listening impressions. I suspect it does sound terrific. It seems you are able to move freely between it and your analog and enjoy both sources. That's a good outcome.
Albert,
I have respect for your opinions, as well as your amazing system. Therefore, I am curious about your thoughts concerning the expensive, but apparently very effective Entreq and Tripoint grounding systems. Is it a path that you have considered, and have you ever had a chance to audition either of these?
Just curious why at this stage of the game you didn't opt to go for a dedicated music server ala Bryston or the likes?
That is a nice comment from Cto007. Albert, I just scrolled through your system photos again and noticed the dining room table at the far end of your listening room. It must be wonderful to sit there surrounded by all of those LPs enjoying a good meal. Do you often have company over for dinner?
We carry our plates over to the room he calls "his vault." Like a good wine cellar that has a tasting table with a couple of candles in the middle of racks and racks of wine bottles, this guy has a round table in a room surrounded by his vast collection of records. The music system is in another room. This is his sanctuary in which he reads music scores and locates a treasured recording to spin on his turntable.
Mikeba316
Albert, The Allnic H5000 DHT Phono has me intrigued. I've read your prior posts about this unit regarding better resolution and more bandwidth at both ends of the spectrum. Would you mind commenting further about tone and timber and how it handles space and soundsatge as compared to the H3000 which I currently own?
Excuse me if this gets posted twice. I thought I sent this to you a couple days ago. Not sure what happened.
I emailed ARC recently and their position remains that their engineering has not authorized the Kt150 in the ref250.
You were of great help to me many years ago with your advice on the IO phono stage which I still own. I will follow your system and look forward to your future posts
With all the recent changes to your system, with tubes, etc, still waiting for your opinion regarding the HF power cords. Must be hard to separate and identify what is creating each level of improvement. I have two pairs of his IC's, and loved the improvement.
Been a very busy week but will take time to call Kevin Deal tomorrow. Thank You for sharing the results.
Jwm
Does anyone know if you can use KT-120 or 150's in the Ref 210 mono blocks that preceded the 250's?
Barrysandy
Thought I saw you had a Lyra Etna you planned to try. I would really be interested in knowing your thoughts about it if so.
If you haven't tried Alan Kafton's Audio Dharma cable cooker you should consider it on your new cables. Huge improvement.I use mostly Purist Audio Design cable, they do complete break in at the factory for no additional charge when requested.
Knghifi
Can't wait to hear your impressions on the KT150s. I only have ~220 hrs on my ref250 so tube rolling have to wait. Once my MW Sony HAPZ1-ES arrives in ~2 weeks, I will start racking up the hours. My 70's 6h30-dr and TS NOS 6550 are patiently warming up in the bullpen. Probably buzz Kevin Deal next week for my KT150s.
BTW, if you're still looking for 6h30-dr, Eugene from www.conusaudio.com is expected some in Nov. Not sure if they are 70's or 80's. Luckily I found mine after some digging.
Jwm
Sorry your not going, I will be at CES. I don't care much about the Show. They did not have that many attendees. I spend most of my time at the Venetian. The only thing I will miss are the two doctors and their wine from NFS room.
Siddh
Regarding HFC power cord...first impressions...how does it compare to Purist?
Johnp
Albert,
Thanks for having me over last night. As usual the scotch and company was excellent. Your system sounds fantastic. I'm sorry about messing with your iPad. I was enjoying the music so much I wanted to add a few more songs to the list.
I'm with you. Rick's power cable is amazing. That's why I bought one for my DAC.
Siddh
Hi Albert,
Do you know which model power cord Rick brought to the performance?
Thanks, Steve
Charles1dad
Hello Albert,
With accumulating burn in hours and continued listening, what is your verdict on the DHT Allnic DAC and has it met your expectations?
Ptmconsulting
Albert - I finally got to hear the big Focals at the NY show this past weekend, driven by top of the line VAC gear. We came back from dinner Friday night and the Focal room was empty, so we got to play our own music for an hour. Huge dynamics and pure musical enjoyment.
If your setup sounds anywhere near as great as this room did then you are truly a lucky man, and a great friend to share it with your local buddies on a regular basis.
Fplanner2000
Albert-
The Focals are now playing. WOW! Setup hopefully this week. :-) I'll try to catch you at RMAF.
Harve
Denver
Ketcham
Vanity - I too completely disagree. The point of this forum, which I appreciate whole heartedly, is to share perspective and information. Albert is not the only contributor here either. Having these discussion certainly helps me direct my resources appropriately. Through a different path, my system evolved into something very similar to his. So for me, his thread is exceedingly valuable. One mis-purchase can cost me thousands. In addition those perspectives provided here may provide awareness to something otherwise unconsidered. The vh audio plasmatron is a wonderful example. Amazing benefit for my digital system.
Sounds_real_audioVanity thread? It's the long evolution of my system that began when Audiogon was young.
Oh the vanity thread ...
haven't heard your system but not a big fan of the Focal speakers. To bright and forwardI looked at a lot of speakers, it was tough deciding on which one would be best for my need. All speakers are flawed, no perfect options.
Vn101606
Anyway, it was an important improvement. I hope you find someone who can lend you one already optimized.
Ketcham
Albert:
Jremote app for Jriver works really well. All my apple products run my CAPS server headless. Windows 2012r2 with Audio Phil's Optimizer is necessary.
Considering the $$ I have in my unit, I wonder if a audio server would be better.
HewComputer audio is in it's infancy, it will evolve and change, I think for the better.
I completely understand. You spent the time and money to optimize your server and you are satisfied with the sound. Experience shows that it's best to adopt an evolutionary rather than revolutionary approach in audio.
I can't claim much experience with Apple based system but I have heard favorable comparisons between optimized CAPS severs and well regarded transports.
I use a small ultrabook to control my dual server setup but several colleagues use an Ipad with Jremote and it's excellent.
Vn101606
Hi Albert,
I had a dedicated top of the line Macmini with no programs loaded except Pure Music
One can control JRiver with Jremote from the Iphone, no need for Ipad.
One can configure JRiver to start automatically, bypassing the windows shell, this is an option at Audiophile Optimizer. I also hate Windows, but tried and put up with it for the improved sound. Of course it is entirely your choice if you want to try this or not.
Hew
Hi Albert,
Vn101606 suggestion to set up a CAPS server with those options is a very good suggestion and will definitely repay all the aggravation. Regardless, I encourage you to make the effort to follow through on getting one to compare. The key to it will be Audiophil's Optimizer + Win Server 2012 in core mode. Audiophil has really done remarkable work in ameliorating the computer audio gremlins.
Have you had the chance to listen to My Sonic Labs Signature Gold cartridge?
There is a fellow audiophile here at Audiogon who preferred the MSL Sig Gold vs. AT Supreme.
I would like to suggest that at some point you try replacing the Mac mini with a CAPS ZUMA, with external power supplies, Windows server 2012 and run the Audiophile Optimizer.
09-17-14: Cipherjuris
Albert, when the Mac Mini is feeding the DX-5, the treble notes tend to be a tad harsh, which is not the case when the DX-5 is playing a CD, DVD, or other disc, which suggests to me that the likely culprit is the USB cable. Given this, is there one that you would suggest over the other? 90% of my entire system is wired with Purist, and my components are Ayre, Allnic, Lamm, Wilson and your MK 3, so any harshness is always a surprise.
Hi Albert,
Just to let you know, I have spoken with someone who has your Focals who uses Transp Ref XL jumpers throughout ALL the internal jumpers of the speaker...and they are stunned by the result. They love it.
CipherjurisBoth the Purist Ultimate USB and AQ Diamond are better than Nucleus was in my system. I can loan you either or both if you want to try them.
Thanks, Albert. My Ethernet Drobo and my Music Server Mac Mini is connected to my local hardwired network and the Mini is connected to the Ayre DX-5 via a Locus Design Nucleus USB cable (I think you had this cable, so you can probably tell me how much better the new Purist USB cable is).
I should be able to run a second digital cable from the Mac Mini to a D5000 and have both the D5000 and the DX-6 in the system. We will have to talk about that.Your description of cable and connections look like that would work.
Jfrech
Hi Albert for movies, do you find your oppo to have a better picture and sound when playing a blu ray disc than the Fire or Apple TV does on a HD movie?
Cipherjuris
Albert, I have a couple of silly questions about the Allnic D5000 DAC, but things are not totally clear to me. Does it have an on-board PS or an external PS?
As for how it is connected in your system, is your Mc Mini connected directly to the D5000 by a USB cable and is the D5000 connected directly to your preamp (L3000?) and if so, is it connected by XLR or RCA?
Hi Albert,
Why not connect lower range of your speakers to the 4 ohm tab and mid-high to 8 ohm tab of your amplification.
I recall either it was Ken from Cat when I owned my JL3's or Kevin from Vac suggesting such.
Fplanner2000
No Problem. I just want to GET them first!! Should be 2-3 weeks w/various necessary delays inherent with moving something big a fair distance around the world. :-)
Fplanner2000
Albert-
Any idea why the 4 ohm tap would sound better? You've got me curious since my amps have 4, 6 and 8 ohm taps.
Lloydelee21
Yes, Albert...your advice on bi-amping is exactly what I have been advised. I am hoping to investigate soon.
Thesaint519
Killer system.
Thesaint519
Albert,
You having company? Is it an open invitation?
C2300mc275
Hi Albert,
Lovely system - have been enjoying following your journey with the Utopias. I own the Maestro Utopias myself, which is also fantastic but a seriously challenging load - I think the field coils of the Stella and Grande assist with the load compared to my Maestros. Anyway, my Krell 750mcx's have enough grunt to dictate to them :)
Anyway - I am looking for a tube line stage and considering various options. I am thinking of trying out the Allnic L1500 (more my budget) and L3000 - bit of stretch. Just wondering whether you had heard the L1500 first and also whether you could tell me about the sound of you L3000 albeit difficult to isolate its qualities from the whole system as it were.I have not had the L1500 in my system, only the L3000 and L5000. I love the L3000 but admit I have a L5000 on order to audition.
Thanks, Bill
Ketcham
www.empiricalaudio
I like this paper on bi-wiring speakers. Seems to add objective information to the conversation
Lloydelee21
Hi Albert,
I would not be surprised if your solution is better. The question is...would you bi-amp? As in add a stereo amp so you can drive upper/mids separately from bass? Does Focal give any guidance on this point? Presumably, with 2 sets of binding posts, they have allowed for this option?
Albert-
I live in Denver about 15 minutes from RMAF. Hopefully I will have the Focals up and running by then. I should have them in a few weeks. Just got my VAC Statement line stage installed today. Wow!
IF you get the chance, I'd value your opinion of what I've managed to put together at home. Maybe we can coordinate something as we get closer to the event. Thanks.
Lloydelee21
Hi Albert,
Well, I think you've certainly confirmed that there is more to be driven out of this speaker...bi-wire, reference jumper wire or otherwise...;) somehow I knew you'd know that...;)
Jwm
Is Romey the Cat a nice person who can actually appreciate good music? He was a motor mouth in the day.
Thanks Albert, it's been too long since I've been over. Romey cat sends his best and says we'll try and make it someday soon.
Jwm
Albert nice talking to you today. I enjoyed the conversation. Lets stay in touch. I wish we lived closer to share music. The worst is usually the first 24 hours after that your wife will be as good as new. The best Jeff
Have you tried TA Ref XL jumpers with your Focals? I just spoke with a Focal dealer who loves them on their flagships in store.
I leaned this because I told them I discovered that ADDING 2 of them to my Wilson X1s 1/4" thick copper plate which connects 2 binding posts....has been a wonderful experience. Far more nuanced micro dynamics, and much more articulate bass that now feels as nuanced micro dynamically as the uppers and mids.
And hearing the system with the new arc amps. I know they are still breaking in...but you're already getting better sound. Especially the speed and resolution!
Fplanner2000
Albert-
Do you by any chance remember the bolt size and/or Stillpoints part number to connect the Ultra 5's to the bottoms of Utopias?
Lloydelee21
Wow impressive responsiveness from PAD. Great stuff, Albert. Look forward to reading more about this. Does this mod make any improvements for other non-ARC equipment by any chance?
I will be rolling in same order ... spoke to 2 ARC Anniversary Pre owners and they actually prefer stock Sovtek 6H30 over NOS 6H30-DR so will be interested in your results.
Only filter network PCs? Any more known compatibility issues?So far only the Purist but the Audio Research guys designed the power supply so effectively it literally works out of the box with the stock cord. I've never had that happen in all the years I've been in audio.
Love how I must give my SSN to allow the package to pass customs even when duty and (not applicable in this case) taxes were covered by a third party.
can I run the dac 24/7 for a week (break in) or do the tubes require rest?
KetchamI suspect many (most?) of the product here at Audiogon shown at list price are available via an offer for less money.
Albert.
I certainly would love pointers on how to become the audiophile that does not pay retail. ;)
What is your thoughts on balanced power, like the equi-tech transformer for your dedicated line?That's one of those impossible to audition things. If you don't have it or choose another way you're unlikely to move to Equi-Tech for comparison. If you choose Equi-Tech it's difficult to remove and go with another system.
I would be interested in your thoughts of what you did and why.It's simple, lots of copper and unlimited power for each component via multiple dedicated line. You cannot go wrong with that approach even if later you decide to add some extra power conditioning.
Lloydelee21
Hi Albert,
About the prototype cable, is this a prototype for their new flagship powercable? If so, what is the new tech that allows them to remove the network (after introducing the network into the Ltd and then the 25th Anniversary only a few years ago)? Curious!
C1ferrari
Hi Albert,
I was unaware the Ref 250 employs 6H30's.
KetchamThat's retail for one AC cable. I've been friends with Jim since 1986. Meaning no, I did not pay retail :-), nor do most audiophiles.
Purist Audio Design 25th Anniversary AC ($9900.00)
Albert. Was this the cost for one cable or five?
Love to hear what you have done to your ac power from the main power line to your house and then your system.
If I ever am in Texas, I would love to hear your system that has evolved well over a decade.
Lloydelee21
Look forward to hearing more about how the 25th work with the ARC amps...should be great.
A Mac mini straight in with a cheap Belkin USB cable is noticeably inferior to going SPDIF through a cheap converter (Teralink). I am still actively pondering transports....
Albert, is your music server cannister a RAID Thunderbolt system with HDD or SSD? How many drives?
I have a Drobo 5-bay with 5 1 terabyte HDDs connected via Cat 5 Ethernet to my dedicated Mac Mini music server in turn connected to my Ayre DX-5 via USB. What are your thoughts about performance enhancement by replacing my existing Locus Design Nucleus USB cable with the Purist Ultimate USB cable?
Do you find the USB cable plays a significant role with the D5000? Wonder if the galvanic isolation eliminates this or drastically reduces it.
Much like the Focals, Stahl~Tek seems to be a Ferrari that requires the end user to do his due diligence.....
Agear
Nope. That is feedback from an audio buddy who owned it along with multiple other megabuck digital pieces. It had incredible dynamism and bandwidth but ultimately lacked musicality (in his system).
He also has a SOTA vinyl rig as a frame of reference and that remains his favorite. If you follow Audioexotics and the audiophile community in the far east, you would know that the Stahl~Tek is no longer the shizzle (not that that means anything).
So, how would you compare the Stahl~Tek to the Allnic? Are you saying they are more similar than not?
loydelee21
Hi Albert, From Audioshark.org:
"The D5000 is very unique in todays DAC world because most of its components are not from any routine audio market source except the DAC chips. The USB interface, SPDIF receiver and high end upsamplers are all specifically customized for this application. D5000 uses very unique technologies for audio signal processing. The clock does not directly connect to the DAC chip. Instead, the audio processor uses clock alignment algorithms that determine exact alignment for the DAC chip in a real-time manner. The ES9018K2M SABRE 32 Reference DAC chip is a high performance 32-bit, 2-channel audio D/A converter with sampling to 32/384 kHz, 128 DSD and uses a 1.5 MHz upsampler through a field-programmable gate array USB interface.
While most ES9018K based DACs use the dac chip for audio processing, the D5000 has a proprietary internal processor that performs real time PCM upsampling or upsampling and conversion to DSD. The SABRE Reference DAC chip only performs the digital to analog conversion."
Lloydelee21
Hi Albert,
Thanks...actually what I was asking about are the DAC chips themselves, not the design. Does Allnic use the ESS Sabre 9018 DAC chip? I think Stahl-Tek is also SD, and I was wondering if they happen to use the same ESS chip, (which Gryphon also uses).
Lloydelee21
Do the Allnic and the Stahl-Tek use similar chips?
Pbnaudio
Albert,
Quick question if you don't mind, on your SP10 is the Copper platter glued on the sub platter or is it removable ?
Have you guys (Bifwynne & Albertporter) straightened out Kevin yet? I want to order KT150s for my Ref 250.
Knghifi
That's a little schizophrenic since the Stahl-Tek is a polar opposite from what I understand a good DHT output dac to sound like. The Lampizator L7 is the most analog digital I have heard to date. The best dac I had heard prior to this was the Light Harmonic DaVinci (although that was in a show setting....)
Agear
Mapman
Hi Albert,
Any observations at this point about how the Focal sound might be different than what you had prior and if/how that might be a factor in driving other changes since?
Often, changing speakers triggers a chain of other changes in order to get things "just right" again.Absolutely, and what's worse it the better the system gets the easier it is to go wrong.
Focal speakers always impress me as very clean and transparent. Plus the scale of yours, including the field coil drivers, could really push the bar quite high.
Mapman
Charles1dad
Hi Albert,
Your comments regarding the Allnic DAC are very telling given your deep entrenchment in the analog medium. I believe that DHT tubes are inherently special and expose the natural beauty and soul of music with proper implementation. Mr Park is obviously aware of their qualities and successfully utilizes these tubes.
I also have DHTs in my amplifier and preamplifier and wouldn't think of replacing these components.
Charles
Lloydelee21
.. Regarding tubed equipment, I found that the tonal quality shifted every so slightly, but enough that I spent hours and hours trying to recapture the clarity of the Ultra 5s with the tonal balance I prefer. Eventually, I found that adding HRS nimbus/couplers on top of the Ultra 5s...and THEN placing them under the equipment gave me all the clarity of the Ultra 5s and the tonal balance I was fighting to maintain in my system.
Really glad to read about your experiences on these here, since your experience is amongst the most extensive I have read about, and thus your positive comments are great corroboration for those of us who really like Stillpoints but may not have had as much exposure as you with other isolation.
Ketcham
Albert,
Can you elaborate about your approach regarding isolation, Stillpoints et. al. ?
Thanks,
John.
Agear
Albert, do you have any sonic updates on the Allnic dac?
IME, even though AC line voltage varies and this is reflected when I check tube bias, the delta between the set tube and the slave tube remains the same. The issue relates to some electrical attribute of the tube that Kevin measures differently than ARC.
At this point, my question is academic because I have another 800 hours of life left on my KT-120s and ARC hasn't sprinkled pixie dust on the KT-150 ... yet. But when the time comes, I am biased (pun) to go with Kevin because he will charge half what ARC does. Except for the bias matching question, I have never had a problem with Kevin's tubes. And I have bought a lot of tubes from him.
Bifwynne, My Ref 150 uses KT-120 tubes. I've bought matched tubes from Kevin, but there seems to be an issue when I adjust tube bias. On a more than occasional basis, there is a bias voltage delta of 8 to 10 mV between the set tube and its "slave" in an Upscale matched pair. Yeah, I fiddle around with the tubes, but there always seems to be one "guy left out."
Now, by contrast, when I buy matched tubes from ARC, the bias delta is one or two mV. And this is a consistent pattern.
TraiPleased to read about your success, VAC are highly respected amps, I'm sure the result is outstanding.
hi albert,
this is theo rai from cape town.
glad the tube driven arc ref are matching perfectly with the grande utopia.
my 220watt VAC mono blocs sound great with my nova utopia.
i use plinius sa reference directly on the woofers and the two blend seamlessly...
.are the kt 150 always interchangeable with the kt 88 and 6550 tubes and are the advantages evenly spread over the frequency spectrum
Lloydelee21
Hi Albert,
Yes, if you are using screws, then leave a gap. However a lot of people place the units directly on top of the Ultra 5s (ie, no screws), and I believe they were designed for this as well. (I do NOT think they were designed to be screwed in tightly).
Bifwynne
Albert, just checked Upscale's web site. Here's what Kevin says about the original Winged Cs:
"These have been quite possibly the best 6550C/KT88 tube type in production. But impossible to find in first-quality grade because the bulk of them were being bought by guitar-amp manufacturers. This left naughty-boy tube sellers offering "B" grade tubes which may work OK, may not, may have a shorter life, or go knows what. These tubes have been a personal favorite of Uncle Kevin for years. But the people responsible for getting them into the U.S. have been less than stellar in my opinion. So we bring them in direct from Russia. They are perfect as perfect can be."
Bifwynne
So Albert, if you decide to roll the Winged Cs, I recommend you ask your vendor if the tubes check out ok. I'm sure if Upscale still sells them, Kevin will properly guide you.
Barrysandy
Bill Thalmann's the absolute the best. He's did a terrific job on one of my custom power amps that required about 25 hours of work. He's very fair, but much in demand.
Once you get the ARC Ref 250s broken in, try the 6550 Winged Cs in the power supply. You may find you like them better than the Sovteks 6550WEs.
And then when Kurt starts speaking..."this is off our first album...most people don't have it." A full-sized human being, ok, some system can do that...but the power and presence of a person? Again, only heard once before. Remarkable. It remains a test track for me, as I continue to push my system forward.
On Ultra 5s, I found that for equipment, there is something for placing them underneath in odd spots, more based on the weight distribution of the equipment than symmetry. It really annoys me because it does not always look right, but eventually I got it so the 4 feet are 'reasonably' symmetrical but not at all where I originally started placing them.
thus, I wonder if screwing them into ARC 250s is better than placement underneath 'customized' for the ARC own internal weight distribution (and placement of parts that either vibrate or are sensitive to vibration).
Then one day, I came across a shot of the interior...sure enough, directly underneath where my Ultra 5 sits are a series of circuits which are ONLY in that odd, off-centre spot. Guess sometimes, we're not crazy when we can say we hear a difference...
Booboobaer
So how are the Focals breaking in Albert?
The other thing I notice with Utopia speakers is how well drums and piano sound.Drums are exceptional, due not only to speed and timber but decay. You can hear behind and through the percussion.
Do you think ... or have you heard ... that ARC already blessed the KT-150 for use in the current Ref amps? Problem being they're waiting for enough KT-150s to be available?I have no confirmation of that, only know that once ARC gets into something they go all the way. I'm just suggesting that with the shortage of KT-150 tubes the blame is on supply, not ARC.
I'm sure you know that there are other venders out there. For example, Upscale Audio sells the KT-150s for $92 a-pop, or thereabouts. I surmise that ARC will sell the KT-150s for close to double that amount. And that's "per tube."Absolutely. I know and trust Kevin, good guy and one of the few I would get KT-150s from since he understands curve trace and matching.
You also mentioned that you tried the 8 and 16 ohm taps. Any reactions between the two taps? Did you find the 16 ohm tap to be a little louder and brighter as compared to the 8 ohm tap? But bass was a little thinner; maybe shelved down off the 16 ohm tap as compared to the 8 ohm tap??Bass seemed about the same, maybe a bit less controlled at 16 Ohms so impact was looser but certainly not shelved down.
07-30-14: Johnp
Albert,
Thanks so much for having me over to listen yesterday. I have never heard digital sound better. In fact, I think the digital was better than your analog rig; blacker background and more air. The Allnic DAC, using the highest sampling rate 384K, was amazing. Everything sounded liquid and smooth with no loss of information. I think the fact that DHT tubes are used in the Allnic DAC helped create this wonderful analog sound. Congratulations!
John
DoverInternet search for "More Tea, Vicar"
More tea, vicar ?
"Comes from genteel 'aga saga' books about English country living. It's literally an invitation to the local churchman to refill his teacup, but there's an undercurrent of false gentility and sweet smiling with malice in the heart."
And the Krebs upgrade We listened to a master tape on your Studer reel to reel, with natural pace and dynamics and then played vinyl on the Technics SP-10 MK3 with the Krebs update. I heard the same ease, dynamics, rhythm and pace on the MK 3. Once again, the excellent speed stability of the MK 3 displayed itself to great effect.
Yesterday, after Richard updated my MK 3, we listened well past midnight. Albert, sorry you had to leave when you did. After the power grid recovered from a hot day in North Texas, the sound was magical. Both Richard and I commented that there were real human beings behind the music, the ebb and flow of music sounded so natural.
Ddriveman
Ok Albert, please let us know how good the updated Richard Krebs mods are. I hope Richard trains Bill Thalmann on the updates soon so that my new Sp10mk3 can get the updates too.
Bifwynne
Hi Albert,
How are your Ref 250s doing? Still breaking in? Are you loving em? My Ref 150 is magical. Waiting for ARC to bless the KT-150 tubes. I understand they are transformational.
Did you try the 4 ohm taps yet? You might be surprised. The sonic change is not subtle.
Not sure what your Focal's impedance curve looks like, but if it's low'ish in the bass and midrange frequencies, say 4 ohms, using the 4 ohm tap will do a better job of matching the speaker's impedance with the amp's internal impedance.
Philb7777
Have a great time tonight and keep us posted on how your ARC Ref 250's evolve for you! Gonna be fun tonight I bet.
if you are ever in Tulsa, please let me know ahead of time and I'll provide a good dinner and tunes for you if time permits! If I am ever in DFW with free time, hope you don't mind if I invite myself over!
07-24-14: Bifwynne
Ok Albert next we're going to work on time and phase coherence. If your Grandes are configured like the Utopias, your tweeter and mid drivers may be wired in reverse phase as compared to the woofers.
Jwm
Didn't Nelson Pass say the most important thing is what you do with the first watt makes sense to me.
07-24-14: Charles1dad
Albert,
Your speakers are 95 db sensitive and an eight ohm load. I'm not surprised that the power meter barely moves even at loud volumes. Often times you'll likely be using less than 1 watt. 95 db is more sensitive than people may appreciate.
Practically speaking your big amplifiers are over kill power, but they sound fine to you and that's what matters. Congratulations!
Charles,
07-23-14: Bifwynne...you might do well with the 4 ohm tap. The Ref 250's output impedance off the 4 ohm taps is lower than the 8 ohm tap. So you might have tighter and more extended bass and tighter output voltage regulation.
Philb7777ARC says 600 hours and based on my experience with cable and speaker break in I absolutely believe them. The great news is I'm enjoying them so the run in process will be painless.
Albert, these ARC Ref 250's are going to amaze you. One hour in and great - just wait until hour 100, 200, and 400.
until the ARC Ref 250's, never before had I experience the soundstage width and depth that it gives. Not only that, but what I call the continuity of the soundstage - not just cut out images within the stage, but everything is connected with 'real' air and harmonics.
Albert,
Can you PM me photos of your D5000. I have an information summary to post on some other forums and actual photographs would be helpful.
Jwm
Albert, I don't know about you, but I always like taking the cover off new products and taking pictures. If you do I would like to see them.
Jwm
I'm happy for you. It's a good sign when you like it right out of the box as it will only get better.
07-20-14: Cipherjuris
Albert, I thought I saw a post from you on the Plasmatron, but today when I looked I could not find it or any reference to it in your system. Have you heard or tried the Plasmatron and if so, what do you think of it?
Jwm
Albert I bet you will find that the Audio Research will sound more musical, instruments will have better tonal density, and the top end will be much more refined, and the bass will be tighter and better controlled. Lets see if my prediction holds water.
Jwm (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
I haven't experimented with any tubes in the amps yet, but have been reading on several forums about people using the KT-150's in Ref series amps with fantastic results and thus far no circuit issues with blown tubes, caps, etc.
One thing of interest is that I do bias the amps about every 6-8 weeks. There is very little drift, but I do adjust. The fans on the amps are super quiet too - my room is smallish and enclosed (21x15x9) and the fans are not audible for me the listening position.
07-19-14: Philb7777
... drive my Eidolon Diamonds with ease..... It's almost like they have the best attributes of solid state and tubes combined. Never have I had soundstage width, continuity of soundstage and extension/decay of notes like this.
07-19-14: Lak
Hello Albert,
I look forward to hearing what you have to say about the ARC REF 250.
Congratulations ;-)!
07-18-14: Peterayer
Albert, will these ARC amps be in for evaluation or have you bought them? If the latter, have you heard them with your speakers and what other amps did you consider?
I'll be interested to learn how they compare to your VTLs.
Mapman
Can't go wrong with ARC. :^)
Albert, I don't recall what tube amps these are replacing?
Also I'm wondering did you ever get the Bel Canto Class D amps to work with the field coils in the Focals? OR anything else? If so, any impressions?
Jfrech
Hi...Congratulations on the ARC Ref 250's...can't wait to read your opinion after some time of the clock!
Whart
Albert and Rockitman: have you guys met in person*? I think you'd be dangerous together :)
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*I almost typed 'prison' but that's a different story.
Rockitman
Hi Albert...what are you replacing your VTL's with ? I must be late to the party...
Ketcham
Albert,
I understand why you replaced the unit instead of upgrading. Regarding sonic qualities, what is your impression of the MK-II over the MK-I transformers?
Ketcham
Albert - Quick question about the L3000. Did you replace your MK-I transformers with the new MK-II? If so, what is your impression? I believe they run $1500 plus labor.
Regarding the L5000. I agree with your assessment regarding the microphonics and tube noise. The L4000 (L3000) is dead silent even when you turn up the pre-amp well beyond (2x) the normal listening volume range. I found both the L5000 and L4000 to have high gain. L4000 gain is more, I agree, but it does not matter for my listening environment which is purely digital. I never had the need to turn the volume beyond one quarter turn from low. The L4000 is maintenance free. You can place on any shelf and there are no sonic issues. The L5000 is sensitive and requires TLC. Like children, I find this both frustrating and rewarding. What I find rewarding about the L5000, when she is in a good mood - more dynamics, faster attack, slightly more detail in the transients and decay. Overall to me more palpable with better ambience.
Ketcham
Albert - I would be very interested in your thoughts on the oversampling. Keep us posted!
Ketcham
Why do you prefer the L3000 over the L5000 DHT? I have both and each has sonic qualities, both of which I find enjoyable but for different reasons. Curious your thoughts.
Ketcham
Albert.
.... Do you find with the d5000 any point where the upsampling to 128 dsd does not give any advantage or even has sonic penalty?
Charles1dad,I hope so, only time will tell.
...seems like you have a winner on your hands."
I agree with you. The Allnic DAC was the second best DAC I ever heard. It had many analog qualities that made it sound very organic and open. I think the DHTs in it may have helped.
I thought the Stahl-Tek DAC was almost as good as your analog rig which is high praise.
Thank you Albert. Is most of Technics information contained within this system thread and the "Albert Porter Technics SP10 MK3 Project"? Any other thread/resource I'm missing?
Philb7777
Albert, I'm running ARC Ref 250's on my Avalon Eidolon Diamonds which are typically a tough load for an amp. My room is 21x15x9 feet and I rarely have to turn the volume of my preamp beyond 40% of total volume output to get dynamic and sound to my decibel liking.
We all develop a certain familiarity and comfort level based on our experiences and outcomes.That is true, I tried many different amplifiers on my (previous) Dali Megaline speakers. Regardless if I ran the amp on ribbon section or woofer array the VTL 750 always beat out other brands.
Albert,
I suppose it depends on the particular speaker design. 95 db is quite sensitive, is there a tough impedance load/phase angle with your speaker?
Charles1dadThey are about 95 DB efficiency but currently I'm accustomed to the VTL 750 which is very powerful.
Hi Albert,
How power or current hungry are your speakers?
I realize ARC has the well earned name but I'd not be surprised if the Allnic amplifier is superior sounding.I have lots of Allnic already, no question the phono and line stage are top tier.
Hi Albert,
I hope that this finds you well! If you do not mind, I know that the Blumenhofer horn speaker was new to you, could you maybe share some of your thoughts about the attributes of that transducer?
Johnp
Albert,
Did you get a chance to listen to the Allnic DAC in Germany? I bet it sounds amazing.
Jwm
Here is a picture of the DAC and it appears to Upsample the digital signal. This is totally different from the Lampizator which does not use over or upsampling or a digital filter.
Johnp
The Allnic DHT DAC should be wonderful. Can't wait to hear what you think. Have fun in Munich!
Charles1dad
DHT tubes are wonderful re producers of music. Lampizator makes an excellent DHT tube DAC (level 7) and it'd be very interesting to compare to the Allnic. Curious to know how they differ in design and circuit as both have very talented builders respectively.
I live in a historic house in a district that does not allow for modern window types. When I became interested again in audio, I had custom 6 over 6 true divided single pane sashes made with tempered glass for sound blocking properties in my listening room.
Albert , thanks for your info. I wonder whether it will reduce the noise during heavy rain if I were to use twin glass with airtight gap between the glass & place Hunter Douglas shade below the glass?
Hi Albert. Is your skylight sealed with laminated or tempered glass?I'm working on a quote for custom Velux, twin (hail proof) low E glass. Currently we have (non frost) clear twin dome Plexiglas.
My initial intention is to close it up but reading your thread make me realized that skylight with natural lighting is beautiful & conducive . May I know the Hunter Douglas system you are using?
Rocking out and cooking dinner with Kensey! Just thinking of you, also the squeaks is in her favorite spot when the phono comes on.
Albert I mentioned this before without anyone acknowledging so i will mention this again.
I would be shocked if you didn't prefer the GZ 34 Valvo's. That said, if you have the heavy duty diode, I recommend the 1967 Mullard GZ37 tube.
Albert,
Thank you very much for having me last Tuesday. It was an excellent system, the best I have ever heard.
You have a super high resolution but still very musical system. This is a combination that no one can do in a system.
I listened to it more than 2 hours but still not enough and want to listen to it more. Are you having a meet again next week?
Thanks again for the hospitality.
Huy
Yes, nothing but respect for the fine folks at Focal. For me, the only thing lacking is the ease and naturalness of the real thing; still seems a little mechanical.
I see you finally purchased a Studer. I'm regrettably selling mine. No one has ever asked me to record them with it, and I do not have a huge backlog of analog recordings, nor the scratch to get into Tape Project offerings, even though they are good friends.
Any lingering interest in idlers; I'm restoring a Commonwealth 12D/4; should be fun.
One of our local mastering engineers - one of the three principals in the Tape Project - Michael Romanowski, is using Focal Grande Utopia EMs with the VTL Siegfried Reference Monoblocks. I have listen to this system many times, and it is one of the few direct radiator systems to portray decays accurately. Quite a feat. Your system must sound similarly stunning.
Albert,
I know you have been dabbling with stillpoints as of late. My latest success with them has been LP1's placed on top of each of the H5000's dual power transformers. The bass gets tighter and more focused.
Albert, I'm really interested in reading about the progress of this project. As an advocate of preloaded Vibraplanes with steel ballast plates, I'm curious to know how it effects the sound in your system.
I have 80 lbs. psi of air pressure according to the front dials. The tops of the Vibraplanes are 3 3/4" above the stands with the 1" steel above that.
If you ever try a Tripoint, I will be most interested in your impressions. For the money, if I can't get a demo, I have little interest dumping 15-20K with cables just to see how it impacts my system.
I am curious as to what the scientific rationale lies behind a power cable making a significant sonic difference (and by extension an electrical difference). I suspect many will say that they can hear a difference and that is good enough for them.
Thus, when it comes to grounding wires how does one counter that same argument?
Congrats Albert! Enjoy all your efforts. Good excuse to buy more software and celebrate ;-)
...and in the last5 hours, it has settled in with all the propulsive power I have come to expect, with the PAD density of midrange tone I love...and yet with a far lower noise floor, a natural waaay out there decay which the Dominus and Canorus cannot match.
I will be interested in your impressions going from SS to 5's with the amps.
Peterayer
Sounds like you're making progress, Albert. You have analog on the brain. I think you meant to write "photo" studio, not "phono" studio. I hope there is not too much metal dust around your equipment.
Just remember to deflate the Vibraplanes before you place those heavy ballast plates on them. You will be in for a treat. I grinded/sanded and painted my first plate and it was a pain. For slightly more, I just decided to buy the next two directly from Kinetic Systems. But I did not have to contend with shipping costs because the factory is only one hour away.
Regarding the amps, have you given any consideration to the new Pass .8 models? Think of all the money in replacement tubes you would be saving over time ;^)
Please post when they're under your amps. Yes it should be quite a nice gain.
Peterayer
Albert, how are those steel ballast plates coming along? Also, have you considered additional Vibraplanes under your amps? The system must be singing now.
Peterayer
Albert, did the height of your speakers change after you inserted the Stillpoints?
Csng1
Hi Albert
I just installed Nordost sort fut on my Hansen emperor 2 days ago.. It is amazing best investment. I think everyone with stock spike need a real good isolation feet.
Regarding 6922 Sovtek, they would be my first change. For additional midrange and air, try the Siemens 6922 CCa or the Amperex US Military 7308 CEP. If either of these produce too much midrange presence, try the Mullard 6922 (gold pin).
Realize, that when you upgrade to one of these higher resolution NOS 6922's you are listening with more intensity to the weaknesses of the remaining (original) tubes. You are judging the replacement, plus all that it exposes downstream. If after changing to the CCa or CEP, you find that there is too much "grit" in the sound, try swapping the 6SN-7 as described in my long post.
After that, if you are feeling adventuresome, trade out the first stage 12AX7 tubes (Io only). Note, these 12AX7's are the ones I warned about, get TESTED, ultra low noise tubes for this position. My first choice and the most beautiful sound is the Telefunken 12AX7. Other options are the RCA 5751, a US Military version of the 12AX7. The 5751 will alter the tonal balance somewhat, as it is not an exact replacement. There will be a slight loss in gain, with improved signal to noise and lower distortion. Overall, the sound will be a bit more on the dry side.
One final suggestion would be the 12AX7 French Mazda. A good sample of this will produce significant improvements in high frequency transparency, especially compared to the Sovtek. However, the Mazda has not been without problems in my experience. The samples I received are not equally reliable or equally low noise. Some will play perfectly for many months while retaining their original "voice" while other samples will develop horrible microphonics and tube noise in as little as a week. This is a situation that could lead to disappointment with the Io, when in fact, the tubes are the culprit. Unfortunately, there must be some risk and experimentation within your own system to determine what is best.
Albertporter
I have used the Io for some time, and was the first to implement the dual power supplies. I have now done this with the Callisto as well. The Callisto is the matching preamp from Aesthetix.
On tubes, I started with stock and after some break in, decided to change critical positions to improve the sound. The first four 12AX7 tubes (near the input jacks) are VERY critical, and any noise or microphonics in that position are going to make your life miserable. If you get professional help with any tube selection at all, make it these four.
Other tubes that make a big difference is to replace the two Sovtek 6SN7 with the RCA 5692. The old military red base 5692 is the best, but the black plate RCA 6SN7 is a great choice as well. The Sovtek 6922 tubes used in the output of the Io are so bad, that almost any brand is better.
I like the Telefunken 6DJ8, the Mullard 6922 white dot, and Amperex 7308 all nearly equal. The sound of these three sets of tubes is radically different, and the correct choice is in the ears of the beholder. The Sovtek 12AX7 tubes used in the outboard power supply, while audible, are not a good place to begin. Going to something extreme like the Telefunken 12AX7 ( as I have ) will be audible, however everything else needs to be at the limit, for this to pay off.
Changing the EL34 tubes right beside the 12AX7's (still speaking of power supply) have a large effect on the sound. The two best are the MO Valve KT66. Genelex KT-77 and the Mullard dual oo getter EL34.
I have tried almost every tube that will plug in that socket, and these three are by far the best. To respond to the question of reliability, I run my Io 24 hours a day, NEVER turning it off. I pulled the Telefunken 12AX7 and MO Valve KT66 tubes from the two power supplies, and tested them against the recorded numbers from the year before. The loss in trans conductance was only about 12%. At this rate, the power supplies should be able to run 24 / 7 for about 4 or 5 years. Upon testing the main unit, the numbers showed the 5692 (replacement for 6SN7) at about 15% loss in the first year, and the Mullard 6922 white dots (only about 6 months old now) show no loss at all. The main problem with this unit is the fact that ALL the gain is with 9 pin miniature tubes. There are no MOSfets or transistors at all to do this amplification.
To make matters more volatile, the circuit uses NO feedback and is run with extremely high gain. This unit will take the .5 MV signal from a moving coil cartridge, and drive 40 feet of interconnect to amps requiring 5 volts peak to peak input signal. There is not another product requiring so much from the first few tubes in a step up stage. This simply means that some people are going to have terrible luck with plugging in tubes (especially UNTESTED) and others will have no problem at all.
I think Aesthetix fares pretty well as far as maintenance, but with the small signals from your phono cartridge being magnified with microscope like gain, care must be taken. If you have a problem or make a mistake, it will show up. The good news is that if this phono amplifier is set up correctly, it is without question the best product of it's type I have ever heard. The nearest competitor was the Magnum Opus phono from EASE. The EASE was the evolved version of the Counterpoint SA9, both units designed and manufactured by Mike Elliott. If the SA9 or Magnum Opus phono were still made today, I would tell anyone wanting zero hassle with front end tubes to give these units a listen. They are not as magic, silky or dynamic, because the first stage is a FET, but that FET resolves all the issues I spoke of concerning finding perfect tubes for the first stage.
I hope this helps explain what and why and hopefully will allow others to make a decision you can live with. I would be pleased to offer suggestions as to which tubes, if a description of the current system sound is given, and a goal as to what you wish you could change about the sound and tonal balance.
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Glory
I see you have the Bel Canto 1000 amps. What function do they do in your system.? Driving the bottom end of your speakers?
Albert - curious about the ultrasonic cleaners - how do the KL Audio and Audio desk compare?
Albert missed you at the show. Just curious what you thought of the VAC room with your speakers. Can you place in words differences. I don't know if those speakers or any of the electronics were new or not. The best Jeff
I think Albert, and his listening friends, have learned how each of these cartridges sound relative to each other in similar, if not identical, conditions, that is, in this particular system context. If Albert were not in a position to keep both, wouldn't this listening exercise be useful in determining which cartridge he prefers for his system?
I understand each cartridge has its own strengths. And I'm certain some listeners prefer one to the other. However, I'm curious if a preference is consistently dependent upon mood, type of music, recording or some other factor. I would also like to know, if you could control a listening test for such subjective things (for example, selecting an recording which is known to be very accurate), if a majority of listeners would agree that one of the cartridges sounds more accurate, or like real music.
I've got to figure out how to visit Dallas on a Tuesday evening.You are welcome anytime. I'll make a spot according to your schedule.
Johnp
Albert,
Thanks for hosting Mr.Park. I had the opportunity to talk with him and learn more about his wonderful designs. I talked with him at great length about the design of the 5000 DHT phono preamp. It is really amazing what he has done. Designing a phono-pre with DHTs is not easy. After talking with him I realize that the 5000 is really a custom design that is available commercially. It is a one-of-a-kind piece of audio gear. KS is so passionate about tube electronics and he has been that way for years. What an amazing man.
Lloydelee21Lloyd, the fist time I heard a Gryphon was at CES many years ago when I walked into their room and thought I was listening to tubes. That's never happened before or since. Gryphon are very analog and tube sounding but also powerful and dynamic beyond their power rating.
If you ever do listen to Gryphon's bigger amps, do let us know what you think. IMHO, the closest I can think of is something with the solidity, linearity and absolutely indefatigable power of a Boulder 2060 with the nuance, organic tonality of a CJ reference piece.
Albert have you heard the new Stahl Tek Ariaa DACI had the top model Stahl Tek in my system a couple of years ago and still cannot get that out of my head. Would have loved to purchase it but it's way out of my budget for digital source.
Albert, when are you planning on doing the amps evaluation. Would be great to hear each one and evaluate with a final decision
Albert, Are you considering any SS amps? I'd think that with the Allnic gear, you might already have plenty of tubes in the signal.
The Siegfrieds will be very special indeed - I think that would be my choice (if I had the $$$$$ :). Not sure whether you ever heard the higher end Vitus with focal - I see you are more a valve fan, but the ss class A Vitus is very tasty indeed.VTL is my likely choice, I love my 750s and the Siegfried is an evolution of that same design.
Wow that sure was a bonus with the umbilical cordFar more than I would have ever imagined. I'm happy Purist was open to design and build a pair. I got the idea from the success of the Aesthetix umbilical cables which were stunning. Guess there's a lot lost in the transfer between power supply and main unit on all gear.
So what amps are on your short list - that's going to be very educational indeed.Your VAC Statement 450s are possible, also the new VTL Siegfried II and maybe the new Audio Research Ref 750.
What are the main difference's that stand out between your Atlas and Air Tight.The Atlas is "cooler" tonal balance, speedy and incisive. The Air Tight has meat on the bones, gets the wood on a Stienway correct and has midrange to die for.
How many hours do you currently have on your speaker now and what is the expected amount for break-in.Focal says 1500 hours with refinement and subtle gains for months to a year later. As all things high end, the big part is up front and the tiny magic creeps in little by little.
Recommendation - you need to install some Stillpoints Ultra 5's under those bad boys and see "hear" the differences, I was pleasantly surprised with mine and a few friends speakers whom I have assisted along with reading what other owners of all different types of speakers have to say, one being a pair of Focal Stella's.I love Stillpoints, use them under my turntable, power supply, amplifiers and plan on adding under the Focal.
Hi Albert, I see you been having fun in general and dealing with the taunting speaker break-in which appears to be coming along.It's amazing how much the Focal have improved. Everything is better and I suspect with time there will be additional gains.
My latest acquisition is the Air Force One table along with Bob Graham's Elite arm - This combo is a game changer for me and I'm very proud to own such instruments.Anyone would be proud to own state of the art analog like that, I would love to hear that set up some day where I could compare it.
When Bob was at my place he mounted my A90 which is sounding superb but the Atlas is on my short list - I still have my My Sonic Lab Ultra Eminent BC cart mounted on my 12" Reed which I really enjoy - again different flavours.I like the Lyra Atlas and cannot imagine not liking your My Sonic Ultra Eminent since it's supposed to be like the Air Tight in personality.
Unoear
Hey DJ from Downunder,
Munchies...the dennesen is always spot-on, no slippage or variation; it is a tried and true superior solution to the others.
For those who alter VTA for each LP I would encourage you to conduct a little experiment. Using a single point triangulated protractor (e.g. Dennesen Soundtractor, Acoustical Systems UNI-Protractor or SMARTractor) and your preferred target tangential curve, set the overhang with the arm tube parallel with respect to a 180 gram LP (not uncommon these days). Now raise or lower the VTA as you normally would before going back and checking the overhang using your protractor. Has the overhang changed, even slightly, with the change in VTA? If so, what are the geometric consequences of this change in overhang (and by extension effective length)?
Thanks Albert, how did the 1 degree incline system work?
Hi Albert, how would you compare the two arms. I know you upgraded the 312s to a v12
Elescher
Hi Albert,
Regarding the Ammara/Audivarna/JRiver preference; .... bought the Bryston music player...I prefered the sound of Amarra. ...the sound quality with Bryston was transformational.
Albert,
The HF CTI-1Ultimate is genuinely superb and I'd be surprised if you aren't smitten by it. I use it as my digital cable and find it stunningly "natural" in character.
Albert, what cable does the High Fidelity replace?
Fplanner2000I'm sorry, but that happened a lot. I had so much to cover I was pretty much in a dead run the whole time.
Hi Albert-
Congrats on the new Focals. I tried to catch you in Denver at the RMAF, but missed you getting into an elevator.
I was at your house a few summers ago with Art S. and we listened to your Dalis, which sounded great.The Dali did sound great, they were excellent speakers and I spent ten years getting everything out of them I could.
Now that you have the Focals and they are probably somewhat broken in, can you compare them to the Dalis? I heard the Stellas at RMAF and they were nice, but not the level I'm looking for.
Albert, is the Veloce the original one or the current (Lithio) model? I heard both in my system, and there was a pretty big gulf between the two.
Lot's of deep bass too, no?Not more so than my current preamp but the Veloce is certainly more resolution. I'm a bit uncomfortable with tonal balance, reminds me of the first version Audio Research that used this tube. I have great interest in this preamp but also thinking about a modification that might put it 100% with me.
I should be able to do some comparative listening this weekend and post my opinion.
That's a magnificent system! It's also really cool to see the group picture. There are several of us here in Blacksburg that get together like that too. Your music group reminds me of ours.
There was an audio show that had big Focal Utopias with Class D amps; perhaps one of the Munich shows if I remember right. It's a great idea that makes me want to experience your system's performance all the more.The big VTL with my new DHT phono are taking resolution way up the scale but holding on to musicality. I get closer each week to the ultimate warmth and involvement I earned with 10 years work on the Dali. The difference is the Focal blows away anything I've ever owned in the resolution and reality department. I just need to keep honing the presentation so it does chills down my spine on demand :^).
How did everyone like your new phono stage last night. I know it needs breakin, but you can still tell right away if its great and will only get better. When are you going to do the Stahl~Tek and other digital shoot outs. JeffIn my opinion the session last night was a milestone. The sound was startlingly dynamic and resolved and remained focused at high volume even though it had only one day of break in.
JwmI have only heard positive things about Audivarna but have not tried it.
Albert, I have Audivarna and seems to work real well.
Wonderful comments on the Allnic H5000...guess I need to get to dallas soon! On my way back to the USA soon...will try and call you over the weekend...
Still in NY, trying to get this house sold. Will be back in Austin, whether or not sold in NY, by January. Missing the hell out of central Tx.
Will keep in your loop, Albert. And, I promised the Rockitman I'd come visit at some point too- he's a few hours north of me by fast car.
If your experience with the DHT is anything like the H3000, it should keep getting better over time, as you well know. Do you think rectifier tube rolling in the power supply of the DHT would yield improvements as it does with the H3000?
My system has never sounded better using the H3000 (in combo with the Veloce version 2), so I can only imagine at this point.
Albert, that sounds like quite the fun evening of listening. I want to make it out to join you all one day.
I'm interested in Jlsemrad's comment about the Atlas and Supreme with the two different phono amps. What is it about the 5000 that makes it a better match for the Supreme? Could you describe how the 3000 and 5000 sound with the Atlas and Supreme and what the differences are?
Finally, have the Focals changed your impressions of the two cartridges and their differences? The system could be more transparent now, so the character of the cartridges may be more apparent.
I thought Albert's system sounded wonderful. It had an effortless quality I like. There was a ton of information and didn't sound hard or etched. I've heard the 5000 in two systems and both times, I've really liked what I heard. I'm a big fan of DHTs. I was so impressed with the noise floor of the 5000. Getting DHTs to behave in phono amp isn't easy.
Here's a tid bit from the past...I bought your Coralstone. Still my favorite cart. I am also running a Tiger Eys..60 hours so far and I will soon have the Urushi Bamboo Dynavector XV-1t.
Take my new TT, the TechDAS. I bought it w/o hearing it. The engineering case and execution was too compelling for me to resist.
The H5000 is the real deal, it's really special and punches right about at its weight blah, blah, blah...
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I would say categorically thatThanks Bob, that means a lot coming from you.
1) It sounded absolutely wonderful last nite
2) It sounded the best I have heard from his current system
Thanks for your impressions Albert. How is the noise performance compared to the H3000...is it just as good ?
Are the loading options the same ? Currently I load Koetsu at 500 ohms with my active Pass XP-25 phono stage. Can you get near that loading value with the on board gain and step up transformer options ?
Big night tonight ! The H5000 put through the central scrutinizer test. I can't wait for the results.I hope some of the others in attendance respond here too. The H5000 has very few hours of break in compared to my H3000 but I've decided pretty much 100% that this is my new phono.
Albert wow half way there in break in, your in for a treat when you hit 1500 hours. Enjoy my friend.
By the way I hope you registered for CES before September as now it is 100.00. I checked on flights from Detroit and so far the prices are a lot higher this year than last. I usually get a hotel and air package. Most of the time I stay at an hotel just off the strip near the Venetian. I always rent a car so no hassles with cabs.
Is there a reason you don't have the tube/ gel cages over the 300B tubes n the power supply ?
Albert, what tubes are on the main chassis of the DHT? They look like 300's. Vintage?
I do wonder how much better the 5000 sounds.
The Allnic is about a 1/3 of the price...and doesn't need a extra set of interconnects for the outboard transformer...so that counts for something !True, I forgot about that. Most of the top contender interconnect cables today make that an expensive addition.
Would be most interested in your feedback on such a shootout!Every participant should post their own impression and If we listen on all three systems separating DAC performance should be easier.
JfrechI agree, it's firmly stuck in my head as a once in a lifetime experience with digital.
Albert, I remember listening to the Stahl Tek a few years ago with you. It was pretty darn special, one of those listening sessions that you definitely don't forget...and you and I are both really analog guys...so that's saying something about a digital piece.
I also have an Oppo 105 that I sent to Modright for his tube update. I can't tell you how good it becomes as a two channel cd player.
Albert, wow, 1000 hours. That's half way to a cartridge re tip. I guess if I ever buy another pair of speakers, I'll have to add a digital player for the break in process.
my recollection of the original field coil devices was that there was much attention paid to the power supply, so it makes sense that the juice powering the EM unit would be affected.Understood, and I've wondered if building another version of the EM drive unit might provide additional performance as well. Many years ago field coils were driven by tube power supplies, you have to wonder what that would do.
I'm going to a costume wedding this weekend, and my choice was easy- I'm violating my lifelong rule never to wear more than one article of Western clothing at the same time- I'm gonna wear it all (only thing I don't have is spurs, and leather chaps are a bit hot in the dead of summer). :)
-07-13: WhartThank you so much for the compliment !
Albert- I'm very pleased for you re the Focals. They look spectacular in your room.
Can you take a moment and explain, if you haven't already, whether the EM is essentially an updated version of a field coil type speaker?
If so, it wouldn't surprise me that a change in power cable could render a sonic difference. Enjoy your rig- it looks killer. And it's fun to revel in the improvements as break-in continues.
So a small improvement. Fascinating! I can imaging that the even more costly 25an gives even more.
Having seen, touched and heard one of Albert's and John's plinths, I have to agree with you 100%. Albert was very gracious in hosting me at his home over a number of days last year.
The plinth is a thing of great beauty, but this is not just skin deep. It's performance is outstanding.
Jwm
Albert do you have the D2 or D3 Leica Laser and what is the difference or your likes.
Congrats Albert on you Focal Grande Utopia Em. I also have this fantastic speakers and they where a huge improvement over my previous Maxx3, They can produce the best sound I have ever heard during my 20 years of searching for SOTA speakers.
They surely prefers being driven by tube amps.
1. Distance of tweeter to dot
2. Toe in from inside of speaker stand to a mark 5 7/8" left and right of dot for each channel
3. Tilt - laser resting on top of speaker aimed directly on the dot.
Albert, I use a similar laser. I have a dot on the wall directly behind my listening seat. You could use a tripod in an open room. I then have a tape with 1/2" lines going left and right of the center dot.
Albert, I feel the same way as I have about 350 hours on my Altair's. The most painful breakin process is always speakers and then phono cartridge. Its really hard to listen and enjoy in the above break in period.
Albert, I was just marveling at the beauty of your SP10 Mk3 in the system photo. I would love to see an image with the two V-12s.
Hi Albert,Thank you.
Thank you for the suggestion about the Vibraplanes under your gorgeous plinth.
Let me take a moment to reiterate my delight with your product. My listening room is in an attractive panelled room in an 18th C house and the ebony-clad plinth is easily as handsome as the space where it resides. I will send you pictures offline so you may decide if you agree. That said the plinth is, in my opinion, one work of art within another.The plinths are a joint venture between John Semrad and myself. John is a good friend and part of our regular listening group. Thanks on behalf of both of us and I look forward to receiving the photo.
Hope this finds you well, and that the desired changes in your Focals are beginning to happen.The Focal improved noticeably to both myself and other listeners during last Tuesday nights session.
Very Best, and again my Highest Praise for both the conception and design of such a outstanding plinth.The design has evolved for about a decade, starting with the Lenco project in 2003. It was personal, part of my pursuit to improve sound and the few we've produced are hand made and slow go.
Albert, you are correct re the KT-120s. They are NOT "plug n' play." It just happened to be that my amp's power transformer could handle the extra power demand, otherwise ARC wouldn't have made the change.Maybe I can get Luke at VTL to answer that question for me. The 750s are an older design so I know they were not intended for this new tube but perhaps there is enough "headroom" in the circuit to accommodate.
Hi Albert,
So you did isolate the Mk3 PS. I saw it on the lower shelf under your tt in the old photo and had not realized you moved it. Glad you heard the improvement.
Kinetic Systems will cut and finish a steel plate to match their Vibraplanes, but for a fee and shipping is expensive in a wooden pallet. I picked up both of mine directly from the factory and put them in the back of the pick up.I considered that and got a quote. His price was not out of line but by the time I paid shipping I wanted to find a local source and pick up myself.
My buddy David K has just set up his SP10 Mk2a in your plinth and even with the cartridge and arm wire not broken in or the alignment yet optimal, the sound is very good and easily beats the digital which is quite fine. That two-arm Panzerholz plinth is gorgeous.That makes me happy, I like David a lot. Pleased that he is happy with the plinth. I wish John had more time to build these but they are slow go with his level of workmanship.
Albert -- double kudos. I LUV your rig.My sincere thank you!
Quick q: I think your amps use SED 6550 power tubes. Did you think about using KT-120s?? My ARC amp originally used the SED 6550s, but ARC switched them out for the KT-120s. Big difference!I've heard multiple people rave about the new KT-120s and you're correct I use SED 6550.
Albert, I was just marveling at the beauty of your SP10 Mk3 in the system photo. I would love to see an image with the two V-12s.I'm currently doing high end audio photos for upcoming ads with Jonathan Skull. I promise when I finish I'll set aside time to do some shots of the Rosewood with dual SME V12.
I'd also like to suggest that you consider ordering a custom steel ballast plate 20" X 30" so that it is large enough for both your lovely Panzerholz plinth and the Mk3 power supply.I know you're right on the ballast plate, the specification for Vibraplane clearly show that getting mass at proper load point improves the numbers. I had a shop that promised to do this but they never came through on the final product. I required grinding and powder coat so it looks nice. They did not want to handle both projects.
I'll play the new tape for him Albert
It is a simple thing to a/b the switched external vs the unswitched internal electronics.
The Doshi plus the Lamm Signature series sounds truly exceptional. When Nick listened to Stimela he commented that he has heard that on many different systems but only then had he heard it for the first time. It's a remarkable piece Albert
Speakers obviously play a huge part in how bcs actually sound. It's hard to attribute a specific sound to an amp.
Lloydelee21
Hi Albert,
I took your name in vain yesterday. I was walking thru our neighbhorhood and was introduced to Gerard Chretien, CEO? of Focal, by the owner of our local dealership. My wife and I did not have time to really talk at length, but we did speak briefly. I mentioned that you had been posting your thoughts on his flagship, and that I too had heard it. Quite cool!
What we do to optimize our Studers! For me, it recently meant enduring rush-hour traffic from San Diego through Orange County and into Los Angeles to see my Studer tech. This required approximately 3 hours to drive 141 miles -- essentially, all freeway -- brutal!
Thanks for the kind words, Albert...it's always such a delightful time with you -- regardless of the occasion :-)
One thing I would add is that the first time I heard the BCs in my system, it was a total shocking and disorienting experience. The sound was so radically different from the amp it replaced, a Musical Fidelity SS A3CR, that I did not know what to make of it. It did sound most tube-like in many ways at first listen, except not warm at all like some tube amp setups. The biggest difference was the fully transparent 3D soundstage, and control of the bass, which seemed to have vanished upon first listen.Interesting comment on the bass. The 16" field coil is not broken in yet but I'll wager it would benefit from an amp that had an iron grip on it.
The BCs can sound a TAD towards the dry side in some setups, like with my little Triangle Titus speakers, which do not seem to benefit from amps with high damping factor like the BCs. The BCs shine however with both my OHM speakers and my Dynaudio Contour monitors, which are just slightly larger than the Triangles.
Mapman
The results I am getting currently are much like the better systems I have heard and used for reference, both SS and tubes. Many of those have tended to use larger high end tube amps, VAC, ARC, Rogue, Audio Note and others, and a few other Class D amps from Rowland and ARC mainly. A couple were run off SS amps as well, but very large well built pricey ones.
A system I heard once running Avalon Diamond speakers I believe off Boulder amplification comes to mind.
Yes Sam (C1ferrari) as well as RugyBoogie (Mike R) helped me out a lot in the beginning.
Hi Sam & Mike R if you see this.
When my Studer needed servicing last winter I called Roger. He said bring it over. He was in the midst of a house move (still nearby luckily for me) So he serviced it for me at his house and showed me what was in his garage
One of my Ref 1000ms (which I acquired second hand) developed a problem a while back with one of the circuit boards. They promptly repaired it and for very reasonable cost. No mixups, no hassles. Very good customer services and communications. That's worth a lot when one makes a big investment in expensive toys!
Ct0517I know what you mean. Mine passed the 19 year old mark a few years ago and still fresh in my mind :-).
Hi Albert Right now I have enough tapes for a full day & night session once a week. Not as much as I would like - due to two 18 year olds demands :^) soon to be 19. I try to treat myself to a new tape every 6 months.
I have learned that to own one of these machines means having a tech within driving distance -- In my case Studer tech - Roger Ginsley is a 40 min drive away.You are truly blessed, that's not available to me. I must ship to Nashville or the West Coast and wait.
The other thing I learned is finding good tapes is a learned process in itself. Sam was very helpful to me when I was crawling on all fours. Now I am walking on my knees . so much to learn ...I went through that, bought tons off Ebay. Some were great and some were horrible. By horrible I mean a bad LP would thrash it. That's when you want to give up.
I am a really big fan of full range dynamic speakers whose design allows for their drivers to be physically aimed/adjusted for the room imaging at your sweet spot. This should allow you, imo if you desired one day to dial into two listening environments with your great room. One for the one on one nearfield listening and the other for the larger group listening ?These speakers have such a huge sweet spot they seem to be less critical to position, at least at this point. They can certainly be focused more, maybe even enough to exclude others and produce something I have not yet experienced.
Mapman
Albert, does BC have any idea why the problem is occurring with that amp specifically? It seems particularly sensitive to the EM driver not being on. I suspect a Class D, very high output voltage related type thing, but dunno for sure.
Does Focal indicate knowing of any Class D amps that have been used with those successfully?I did not think to ask today when I spoke with them.
MapmanAs break in continues I'm amazed at the sheer grace of these giants. Sure, they have power and resolution but also touch your heart.
Those Focals are not the cat's meow....more like the lions roar! :^)
Still hoping to hear something about them running of Bel Canto amps, if that issue gets worked out.
Ct0517Chris, Thank you! I appreciate your comments greatly.
Hi Albert wonderful setup.
..they sure do look beautiful in picture
That is an understatement I think ? Simply gorgeous.
We actually have something in common now.The French build quite a few amazing products, my long career in commercial photography relied heavily on their creative tools.
My French TT uses Focal Speaker Magnets for its levitation :^)
I find something about these French audio products very appealing.
I don't know. I think living with the Mega Lines for so long has skewed your perception :). If I remember correctly they are at least 6-7 feet tall and over 500lbs each. That seems pretty massive to me.Yep, the Megaline was taller than the Focal by about 10" but not as wide. Your joke about perception is actually true. Several speakers I considered seemed small when I pulled the tape measure out and choose the number that represented it's height.
I have my room treated but probably not as much as you do. I only have 8 bass traps but my room is fairly small so that did the trick for me.You have more traps than I do. I have four plus RPG panels behind the speakers and all walls with fiberglass inside and outside (covered with cloth). I was mainly concerned with reflection.
I am sure the Focals love those big VTL ampsThey seem to, I love tubes and big tube amps have a lot of warmth, punch and dynamics. Once the Focal are broken in I may consider other amps.
I just re-read your two paragraphs above where you talk about your room a bit. That is really cool that you could treat everything then cover it all up to make the room look very clean. A well thought out room.Thank you again, everyone appreciates kinds words about their work. This came over a VERY long time rather than one shot. The fireplace and right wall were originally brick and I had that removed very long ago and it made a huge mess.
I would probably get a tube based front end. But since I already have a rack that was not cheap, and my room is small so heat and placement are an issue, I think I will have to stick with solid state.
You have VTL and Bel Canto listed. I take it that you mainly use the VTL amps. I have never heard them but a dealer I used know had them and they do look like very nice amps.
I still can't get over how massive the Grand EM's look. Again, that is a great system.
I know they have more. As I said, I heard them with better amps and I was very impressed.I have not heard your Bryston amps but the personality of my Focal dictate tubes.
When I play music with my new media server, it really sounds fantastic. It beats my OPPO 83 and my old Esoteric DV50s hands down.Source is very high importance, regardless of all the other equipment. I have three sources and it's amazing the vast difference in sound between them.
I knew then that my speakers had a lot to give. I know that my speakers aren't in the league of the big boys, but I also know that they cam sound great. But you jumped all the way to the front of the line IMHO.
Jwm
Albert, I'm going through the same experience breaking in my speakers. I'm like you hoping for it to be more organic and more refined in the tweeter. I think beryllium probably takes longer to break in than a soft dome.
06-13-13: Mikeduke
I hope you don't mind all my questions, even though I will never be able to get them. These aren't "modular" right? They are just one big speaker correct?
Math is not my strong suit so when the instructions for the speaker it self is giving you an equation to use to find the best placement, that's when I would get an expert. I am interested in the EM driver. I am sort of jumping in your thread late but I will assume that you have had other really high end speakers before.
I know that with that hand crank, they are extremely configurable for the time alignment. Did it take you for ever and a day to get it just right? With the correct angle and toe in?The crank allows for driver arrival time based on distance and height. It's Important not only for phase but image height as well.
I know for my 1027,s they were more sensitive then my 927's so they took me a while. I can't imagine what your setup must have been like. Again, great system. Enjoy them every day. I know I would :)I'm really beginning to enjoy them, the "musicality" factor is increasing and I hope it continues more that direction.
MikedukeThe invite is sincere, just contact me and we will work on a day and time.
Thanks for the invite. I do appreciate the it.
I can imagine the break in would long on a large, complex, muti-driver speaker like that. I am guessing you have an 8-9 foot ceiling at least?Focal says the tweeter requires at least 250 hours and the EM bass even more. I've noticed increased performance this last few days but am still shy of 200 hours.
Peterayer
Jfrech, did you listen to both the Atlas and to Albert's AirTight Supreme? If so, how do you think they compare?
Albert, thanks for letting my mom/dad and myself listen last night ! The new speakers sound awesome! Especially on the Allnic with the Lyra Atlas !
Albert, beautiful system. Still waiting for updates but I guess you work like the rest of us.
Did you look at Paul Stublebine system using the Grande Utopia EM? Paul is a man used to tubes - he is part of the Bottlehead team and owns an active system with triode amplifiers at home.
IMHO one of the good thinks of the EM field coil system is that you can tune the bass damping to your room and amplifier - a great capability as most of the best sounding quality amplifiers have medium or low damping factor.
Hey Albert, the Bel Canto amps do have some grounding requirements but so do Pass Labs amps in terms of referencing a common ground. Before you throw in the towel I suggest picking up the phone and calling Bel Canto on Monday.
They could help guide the hookup and let you know about setup issues with the speakers. Or if you do need to go another direction. Good luck!
Albert, you could also try a pair of Pass XA60.5. There are the smallest current mono blocks. Then as the speakers break in, you will get a sense of Pass SS Class A sound and decide later to move up the Pass line or go with a different brand.
Hi Albert. Congratulations on your new additions. What an amazing system.
If you are still looking for a break-in amp, I'm sure you've received lots of suggestions but I'll throw in my 2 cents: there's a pair of Boulder 250ae monos for sale now on Audiogon for $2600.
I wonder what Focal would say about how to use the GEs with an amp with that kind of protective circuit? Its not an uncommon thing, and probably a good feature for most amps otherwise.
Mapman
Also try staggering turning on each BC by 5-10 seconds. They draw a lot of power when first turned on but its clean sailing from there
Mapman
Albert,
One question I have is how did you determine where to place the Focals for best results, and would you consider tweaking their physical location if needed moving forward? And if so, how would you do that given the size and weight of the Focals?
Reason I ask is twofold:
1) I'm not sure that best location for speaker a in a room is necessarily the best also for speaker b.
2) I am not familiar with your main amps, but I know introducing the Bel Canto's into my system required some tweaking of speaker location from prior amp.
Mapman
Nice choice of lighting on the BC pic!
Bigpond
Hi Albert, Well done the speakers look fantastic, it's always a big decision changing anything in a High End System.
I recently changed from Tubes to Solid State and was extremely nervous about it but ended up with no regrets at all. I am sure you feel the same already!
Kind Regards Bigpond
Adamg
Hi Albert,
Congratulations on the new Grande Utopia EMs. As an owner of the Nova Utopia's, I can assure you that the big Focal line will provide many years of bliss.
Based on your initial photo, I was wondering if you will be leaving the screens on during critical listening? There are obvious sonic benefits with the screens off (and an aesthetic improvement as well). Enjoy!
Mapman,
I heard a pair of Focal Profile floor standers demoed once in comparison to a pair of electrostats, and the sound was very similar in this regard. My little triangle Titus monitors were the speakers that convinced me dynamic designs can seemingly be as fast and detailed as eletrostats or panel speakers. It's something the French sound in particular seems to be a champion of.
Microstrip
Albert,
Reading your comment about seemingly zero distortion reminds me of an audition of Lavardin mono amplifiers and preamplifier with the Grande Utopia Be - it was really something extraordinary.
Purity of sound wins some meaning when we listen to them.
Mitch4t
I've seen lots of photos of these speakers, but none of the photos ever had anything else in the picture to give any idea of the actual size of the speakers. I knew they were big speakers, but until the photo of them in your living room, I had no idea of their actual size. Incredible scale, and beautiful too.
It will be interesting to hear your comments regarding the differences in amps when the weather cools off when you go back to the tube amps in the winter.
Needfreestuff
It's nice to see someone so dedicated to audio be afforded the opportunity to fulfill his dreams. I hope these speakers are exactly what your looking for. Happy Listening
Peterayer
Albert, they look great, but I'd love to see a person next to them for scale. They look much larger than I imagined. You are in for a fun ride.
Jasonparmenter
Hi Albert, your new loudspeakers look very impressive set up in your music room, how many guys did you need to help move them in to place. I looked up the weight of your Grande Utopia EM and thought this would they would need a fork lift to move them. I am sure it is now a relief to have them now in place.
Lharasim
Congratulations Albert......you have set a new "hi" standard should be "the best you have ever heard" for awhile.. just like all your systems ..well until something else comes along!
such a life of an audiofile...or should i say toyophile
looking forward to hearing how good this new speaker is..
05-10-13: Mapman
I can't wait to hear how those tiny little Class D amps do trying to handle those big boys! David versus Goliath! I predict David will have some surprises up his sleeve.
05-10-13: Jfrech
Oh this topic can deteriorate very fast....
#1 Albert happy they arrived ! Hope you beat the rain !!
#2 Peter, no telling what's really in those boxes ;-)
#3 How do they sound? first impressions?
05-10-13: Peterayer
I imagined it had something to do with a little blue pill, but let's not go there. Albert, we want to see some photos. It must have been a fun evening.
05-05-13: Richardkrebs
Albert.
Fantastic. You now face an extraordinary and exciting journey discovering what the Utopia's can do.
Isn't our hobby so much fun.
05-06-13: Swanny76109
Albert I definitely will take you up on the kind offer. Unfortunately I have to be out of town this week for meetings but will work out another week soon.
05-06-13: Knghifi
Albert, Congrats on your new speakers.
If you are looking for a Class D amp, check out Digital Amplifier Company. One of my trusted dealer highly recommends them. You can google for reviews and or checkout AC.
The BCs are rock solid amps that I find hard to fault. They are very efficient and never break a sweat driving my fairly large and challenging OHM 5 speakers.
Have never heard the Wyreds but have heard only good things about those as well in similar applications.
05-03-13: Peterayer
Albert, congratulations. I'm glad I've put off my trip to Dallas. Perhaps someday I will be fortunate enough to visit you and hear the new system.
I have to ask the unasked question: Were flagships from Wilson or Magico ever under consideration?
Raytheprinter
Congratulations Albert !Im sure this is a move you have thought out well.
You have heard the best audio has to offer,time and time again. There must be something about the Focals that does it for you. As always, looking forward to your continuing journey!
Mikelavigne
Albert, Congrats on the new speakers.
The big Focals never fail to impress me at shows when fed properly. which you no doubt will most certainly do.
Im very happy for you and enjoy!
Next time Im in the neighborhood Ill be sure to stop by and hear them for myself.
Can you over time reveal your decision making - the MM7s and Arrakis' esp. are as SOTA as things get, your final choice must have had deciding factors the losers didn't possess.
Zu's flagship Dominance I do lust over, they always seem to be a brand passed over by big ticket purchasers such as yourself (no criticism implied), whereas the usual suspects (Wilson/ Magico/Rockport/YG et al) are always in the frame. Check out the Dominance on Zu's website - do you think this could have suited your needs?
Spiritofmusic
05-01-13: Mapman
Would also be interested in hearing what other options you considered and how you ended up with the Focals. Thanks.
Mapman
Albert, two innovative things about those speakers that I would expect can help push performance to highest levels possible, once set up right:
1) adjustable articulated cabinets. Might take a while to get setup just right but should be worth it in the end.
2) 16" high efficiency field coil bass drivers
04-30-13: Mapman
I think those are the "grandest" of the Grand Utopias that I have heard at Lyric in NYC (running off large ARC tube amps I think) and another shop in DC area.
Have never heard Focals I didn't like...
Very nice indeed. Enjoy!
04-30-13: Mapman
16" field coil bass drivers for high efficiency! Nice! Batten down the hatches!
04-30-13: Dev
Albert, congrats! on your new acquisition.
Wow what a change, looks like a whole new journey for you including what will in the end feed them.
Kindly do share what lead you down this path.
Albert, do your Megalines continue to amaze you? If so, you might well regret the change
I think many have reached a level that is so high that any material improvement would cost a great deal more to achieve, especially when one factors in the often pretty low resale value of used speakers.
04-05-13: Knghifi
Albert, with the level of your system, any move is lateral for something DIFFERENT rather than superior. Good luck with your new system ... sure it'll be lots of fun.
04-05-13: Lapierre
Good luck with the new direction.
Agree with the insane speaker prices. I do try to keep myself in check with looking at value and innovation.
I get the impression that all things considered, you are probably leaning toward the Airtight
My suspicion is that the V12 would tame a bit of the high energy of the Atlas. Perhaps the Atlas is just as detailed and revealing as before but now has a bit of the fullness/warmth of the Supreme?
01-29-13: Richardkrebs
Albert.
It will be interesting to hear if you can dial the Graham and SME in any tighter with the Fosgate/Fozgometer.
01-29-13: Peterayer
Hi Albert, I tried the Fozgometer and HiFI+ test LP on my SME V-12 the other night. It was useful to show me that my channel separation was spot on,
I've heard Albert's system...he has a lot of silver cable...maybe nearly all...It's a VERY warm and engaging system...but no loss of resolutionHe is a long time friend who's listened to my system for many years, both before and after the inclusion of 100% silver.
from what you are saying maybe his system is really sucked out and rolled off and these bring back some of the missing balance?! its that or???
01-16-13: Lharasim
Hello Albert, for the life of me I cannot understand why anyone would use silver in any audio cables...IMO silver oh so exaggerates upper mid and hi frequencies are we going def?
01-02-13: Jfrech
Wow, is your system sounding AMAZING !! So glad I stopped by last night. The addition on the SME V-12 arm to your Technics SP10 MK3 really took the resolution went up or the distortion went down...or both!
Really the best vinyl based system I've heard.
Albert, for years now I've been hearing from owners of the Triplanar and the Graham that the 9" versions smoke the SME V arm. That there really is no comparison and that in order to hear what a great cartridge like the Supreme can really do, one can't audition it on an SME arm.
Now your Tractor 82395 has an effective length of 309.05. the Mounting distance should be 295.85.
The difference is very small and you should be able to use it for the Graham. The only thing to note is the Mounting Distance, first use a domestic ruler to fix the distance and fine tune it by making sure the stylus tip falls on each and every point on the effective length arc.
Hope this helps,
Merry Christmas,
12-19-12: Cipherjuris
I sent it in for an upgrade from the Phantom 1 to the current model. But what came back looked like a brand new arm...... I think he just sent me a new arm.
12-19-12: Peterayer
Albert, Based on last night's initial impression of the Phantom, can you make any meaningful conclusions about how it compares to the V-12 (with different cartridges) or to your old Micro Seiki arm, which had the same Atlas in it? I'm planning to swap my Supreme with a friend's Atlas next May for a month or so. We both have V-12 arms.
Albert, that's great! Is the wire in the arm broken in yet?
Hope you have a great listening session tonight!
Ed
12-09-12: Kmccarty
Albert, please post one of your stunning photographs with the Graham Phantom mounted on that beautiful plinth.
12-08-12: Richardkrebs
Albert
I agree with the other comments. Astonishing clarity in those photos. Have you ever considered a career in photography:-)
Again I wish I could be there for the arms race. That would be so much fun.
12-08-12: Cipherjuris
The Hazylight's cost dwarfs the camera's!
Ed
Albert, Will you also be mounting the Supreme on the Phantom or just the Atlas?
Albert, would you consider the Atlas to be more honest and ruthlessly revealing and the Supreme more musical and forgiving?
Atlas telling you exactly what is on a recording, but too revealing of less good recordings while the Supreme is slightly less neutral but allows you to enjoy less than stellar recordings?
Do you plan to test the two arms with the same cartridge? And if so, will it be with the Supreme or the Atlas?
Mr. Porter & Mr. Peterayer: Thank you both
for your answers to me, your posts are a
wealth of invaluable feedback.
Jeffrey Rossit
10-18-12: Dover
Hi Albert, thanks. Obviously the V12 is outstanding. The question I had was - in hindsight, do you still think the 312S is better than the 9" V.
10-18-12: Noslepums
Mr. Porter,
May I ask, did the V-12's improvements seem most noticeable
near the beginning and ending grooves on an LP ?
Since you're comparing two 12" arms, my guess would be NO.
I have a -V that I'm considering selling, and buying a V12.
I had thought most of the benefit would come from the
longer arm, but perhaps the inherent workmanship of the
V12 is where a good bit of the improvement comes from.
Albert - I assume you also didn't use fluid damping with the 312S either.No, I did not. That experiment was a failure in my system.
The use of the fluid damping in the SME arms is somewhat mystical IMHO. Rather than all or none, perhaps it could be used just a tad, by only having the dip-screw down barely into the oil in the damper.That approach was successful on my Townsend Rock and the Walker Black Diamond Proscenium. Both benefited from the damping paddle "denting" the pool of damping material rather than plunging well into it.
Thanks for the update on the SME V12 - very inciteful. I have never agreed with the slow/sluggish description of the SME V, to me it always had an organic wholeness of sound, by that I mean that the midrange was very open, ripe and the sound across the frequency range was cut from one cloth.
I have found many users use dampening to fix other issues in their system.
The question I have is from your experience of the V12 and its sonic attributes, would you revise your view on the SME V in relation to the 312S. Do you think in hindsight that the SME V may be better than the 312S ?I was reasonably certain from the first day of listening that the V-12 was the superior product. My love for the SME 312S has not waned, I still think it's world class.
As an adjunct - the biggest issue I have had with the SME's is the van den hul wiring which I find a bit "pinched" through the upper mids which tends to mask a little detail compared to a copper litz which whilst a little "darker" allows you to hear more into the notes - ie once your ears adjust you hear more.
10-17-12: PeterayerNo, it is the most perfect arm I've ever owned, and so far all the guys in our listening group are in absolute agreement, something that does not always happen.
Albert, So many superlatives. Have you found any area in which the V-12 is less than excellent?
Do you change VTA or leave it, once set for an average thickness LP?I experimented with VTA on the 312S and the results were we've all come to expect. I go for a sweet spot and leave it alone unless I want to verify my choice is overall best for my library.
Was last night's session with the Supreme again?Yes.
When do you plan to mount the Atlas for comparison?I'm trying to decide if the Graham I have here might be a good candidate for the Atlas, or sell my Micro Seiki and buy another SME V-12 for the Lyra.
Congratulations, again. I'm hoping that some mainstream reviewer, perhaps Fremer, reviews this arm so more people become aware of its merits.Based on what I've read from MF I doubt he would approve of the V-12. The guy is brilliant and works harder than just about anyone in high end audio, but we differ greatly on what's important in our sound.
10-10-12: Peterayer
Albert, I forgot to ask: Do you miss the ability to swap headshells and adjust azimuth with the 312S? Does it matter with the Supreme? Perhaps some of the improvement you are hearing has to do with a more rigid headshell and less effective mass.
I had thought the SME 312S was no slouch, though I have not heard it.
Surely I don't have the breadth of experience with different arms that you do have, but it strikes me that your description of the V-12 is nothing like what the detractors of the SME V arm always say about it and other SME arms. Namely, that it is slow, sluggish, colored, lacks detail and is easily outclassed by current arms like the Phantom, the TriPlanar, and the Talea. To what to you attribute this stark difference?
Would you mind sharing your various settings? VTA, VTF, Anti skate. I assume you are using the dynamic VTF and no damping fluid. Also that your counterweight is fully loaded with the extra ballast putting it very close to the pivot.
I read somewhere that the PC-1 and Supreme were developed in part on the SME V and perhaps V-12 arms. This might account for the great match.
I'd mount the Atlas on your one V-12 just to make sure you like it before buying a second V-12, but it seems as though you have finally found your ideal arm after a long search.
Albert, I'd also be curious about your findings on the 4 Point, since that may be my second arm. As you know, I'm a big fan of the Airtight, though mine is the older PC-1, which will likely be replaced with the Supreme, or whatever is extant once I'm down in the longhorn state.
BTW, the Black Dub record is one of my favorites now, as is Trixie's single "I'd Rather Go Blind."
Whart
Once you have some listening time in, would you describe the sonic differences between the two SME arms? I'm surprised by your initial impression. I did not think the difference would be so great.
The template that I got with my V-12 is just like the one from my SME V arm except for the different dimensions. I would have assumed the templates for the V-12 and your 312S are about the same, just with different offset angles.
You need a Feikert type with a nail at the end so you can place it in the pivot point bearing cup with the bearing cap removed. Azimuth with the Graham can't be done by eye or spirit level as the unipivot will actually appear to tilt inward by a degree or two. I use a foz meter to set it.
On another note, the Coralstone is still champ. Love it !Funny, our audio group was discussing that not an hour ago, right before we shut down our long Tuesday night listening session.
Albert, will your second MK3 be active and used for multiple arm/cartridge testing or will it be kept in storage as a spare?Peter,
Also, any more thoughts on the Atlas versus the Supreme? Have you heard them in the same arm yet?The Atlas, it's a super cartridge, no doubt about it. I expect most reviewers will go crazy over it and for good reason.
Transients will become more clearly defined
Speed stability will further improve. Listen for the tail of a piano note now and in 3 months.
The noise floor will drop further and bass extension and definition has not yet reached its peak, the same goes for the treble.
I cant believe you guys who have such an authority on vinyl simply dont recognise the importance of being able to have a phono stage with variable EQThe purpose of variable EQ is to allow for vinyl pressings that don't follow current RIAA standards.
Mr Porter you are able to get your hands on the H 3000v for a couple of months, It would then be interesting on your take. Maybe a good "learning curve "I'm very familiar with Allnic, the factory setting KS Park provides for RIAA LPs with the H3000V is identical to my H3000.
Oh and you can get a WA quantum chip and stick it on your cartridges and headshell and hear the improved focus etc , so there !I like the Hi Fi Tuning Fuses, but not a fan of WA chips (both from Robert at Ultra Systems). Are you familiar with Marigo Dots?
No, I did a test on the SME V arm trying dynamic VTF versus static VTF preferring the former.Assuming that result also applies to the 12" SME, I should have better sound with the soon to arrive V-12.
I believe the 312S was developed for the SME 20/12 table and initially sold only as part of that package. With its success, I think it became available as a separate, stand alone arm. People do like the detachable headshell allowing for easier cartridge swapping and azimuth adjustment.I was a very early adopter to the SME 312S, that must have been 8 years ago and I had to order from Europe.
Congratulations on the V-12. I'm sure you will love it, though as I've not heard the 312S, I can't say how they differ sonically.For some reason I thought you had done that test and concluded the V-12 was superior.
I have a friend who also has the V-12 on an SME 30/12. He really likes his new Atlas but says there is something really nice about his old Olympos. The Atlas has incredible detail, but the Olympos has this comforting warmth that is just really nice.I have not heard the Olympos but the description you provide seems reasonable. I'm told the Atlas was an all out attempt at resolution and speed and on some LPs it's too hard but on others it's ideal.
For now and the foreseeable future, I'm thrilled with my Supreme.The Supreme is excellent on every kind piece of software I own, regardless of content or recording type.
Albert, Just fix the Pivot to Spindle distance 295,6 with any tool (you must remove the Grahams top cap). Then rotate the mounting base (keeping 295,6). The position of the Graham SME base is different from the SME V-12 base, so all screw holes are on different places.
Albert, I could have been more clear. I place a tiny spirit level (designed for gun sights and cameras) on my headshell between the mounting screws. I then lower the arm very slowly until the stylus hits the record, but no more.
For azimuth, the V-12 allows for no real adjustment, but I have found that when the arm pillar locking screws are slightly loose, one can confirm that the arm pillar is plumb or vertical by placing this tiny spirit level on the headshell and lowering it again close to the surface of the LP without the added mass at the end of the arm effecting the cantilever suspension. When the bubble is between the lines, I lock in the arm pillar set screws.
Whart
You mentioned Nina Simone among your favorite artists, but I didn't see any of her records listed. Any that you consider fabulous on both fronts? (performance and sonically?)
08-03-12: Idos
One question about the SME V12; How do you adjust the azimuth? Do you shim the cartridge? I know on the 312s rotating the headshell is a simple matter.
Albert, the SME mount template do not work with the Graham. To catch the tonearm base angle firstly you must fix the mounting distance 295,6 Pivot-Spindle (as the SME V-12). "Then position the arm wand directly over the turntable spindle. Now, gently rotate the mounting base ( either Custom or SME) such that the rear counterweight almost (but not quite) touches the VTA adjustment bracket." This is the position angle of the Graham SME base.
The problem is will you catch the proper Offset angle with mounting geometry the same as the SME V-12 (Bob Grahams recommendation): Leff - 308,8, overhang - 13,2, mounting distance - 295,6. Take care ;-)
I can't see how the SME templates for either arm will work with the Graham. For the SME template to be accurate, one must align the printed outline of the tapered SME arm tube with the actual arm tube of the arm. The Graham arm want is a completely different shape.
I have been using a tiny spirit level placed on the headshell to assist in azimuth and VTA settings prior to final adjustments by ear. Because of the offset at the headshell, azimuth changes as the arm tube is raised and lowered, so I check the bubble level for azimuth just when the stylus hits the LP and not while it is in the arm rest.
07-31-12: Lbelchev
Hi Albert, There is some info about the Graham Phantom 12" armwand: "Look careful to the off-set of the headshell mounting area. It is correct only for the original 9" version." See the threads "Graham Phantom Supreme?" and "Graham Phantom II 12" - dimensions and overhang".
Just to update that my SP10Mk3 is on its way to Bill Thalmann for the mechanical upgrades like yours.
I am curious if you have ever tried steam cleaning your LP's. I note that you have the fabulous Audio Desk LP cleaner and so you would be in a good position to compare steam cleaning to ultrasonic cleaning or a combination of both.
BTW, you know there is no possible recovery when you start asking your dentist for samples of dental floss to try in your turntable :-)
07-23-12: Peterayer
Spirit, You wrote "But really the new tt/arm takes analogue to a place well beyond the best of belt drive/digital." That is quite a definitive statement. Are you really sure you can make such a statement? Which top-tier belt drive tables/arms/cartridges have you actually heard? The Walker, the DiVinci, the SME 30/12, the Continuum, a big Micro Seiki? I own a top belt drive and there are a few others. I actually prefer it to the two DD SP10 mk 2s that I have heard and also to the DD Brinkman Bardo. The belt-drive Brinkman Balance sounds better to me than the DD Bardo. I certainly have not heard everything and will not make such sweeping generalizations about tables that I have not heard in my own system. I'm glad you like your new table and arm and speakers, but the definitive statements are a bit much, IMO.
Sorry to digress, Albert.
07-23-12: Spiritofmusic
In a lot of ways, move to direct rim drive is the most radical change to my system other than the change to Zu Audio full range xoverless spkrs, which again I won't deviate from.
07-22-12: Spiritofmusic
I have to say having listened to direct rim drive over last couple of months has been an eye (and ear) opening experience, I could never go back to belt drive.
Albert, I would hesitate to use the SME alignment protractor for the Phantom arm. For the SME cutout protractor to work properly, the offset angle and pivot to stylus distance for the Phantom have to match exactly the SME arm for which the protractor was designed.
And even if you get all of that right, the MINT is more accurate than the SME is, particularly when it comes to zenith alignment.
To get it correct, you might have to measure the pivot to stylus distance and then supply that dimension with the offset angle and mounting distance to Yip for a MINT LP protractor.
07-17-12: Jasonparmenter
Hi Albert, nice to see a fellow kiwi (Richard) on your couch enjoying the music.
07-17-12: Rockitman
Albert,
If you are trying out a Graham Supreme 12", make sure the alignment jig is tailored for the 12". When I bought my 10", they included the jig for the standard 9" arm. I ended up getting a Mint LP custom for my table spindle arm. Supposedly, Graham is addressing this jig issue for the longer arms.
Hi Albert,
I'm playing with the idea to put a diamond cantilever when the time for rebuild comes. Have you heard one of these? I guess a demo is essential, but it's almost impossible to be arranged.
07-16-12: Peterayer
I think it is difficult to form a definitive conclusion about the Supreme and Atlas because they were not heard in the same arm.
I happen to think that the magnesium 12" SME arms are quite neutral and that both cartridges would sound excellent on the 312S and that one would be preferred over the other based on personal preferences and the rest of the system.
Albert, do you have a MINT LP protractor for the Phantom? Perhaps Albert will mount both cartridges on the 12" arm. I'm staying tuned for the report.
07-16-12: Jfrech
The atlas was in a micro seiki arm, the supreme in his 312s. Same arm cables. It was very easy to hear the differences, the lyra was much faster, somewhat higher in resolution, more energy on top (not bright, just more).
Then the supreme, better foundation in the mid bass (the way it portrayed the cello strings) more beauty in the mids (voices), more relaxed on top.
07-17-12: Jfrech
Hi Whart...actually no...I was trying to say which ever one you listened to sounded great...no "desire" to switch to the other.
This will be an interesting battle royale. I trust Albert's ears. I currently have the Airtight PC-1, which will be getting long in the tooth.
I noticed that you recently covered much of the brick surround of the fireplaceI tried diffusion and absorption and the absorption was better in that location. It did not soften the room, just removed a small reflection that harmed the image.
it looks like you have not used anything absorbing on the back wall (based on the pictures); were you worried about over-damping the room?The back wall is a composite of three layers. Mahogany plywood plus two sheets of 5/8" sheetrock with acoustic cement between each layer. The area behind the plywood is packed with fiberglass as are all the walls and ceiling in this space.
I really like the Titan i -- I don't have nearly the sophisticated equipment that you do, but it was one of the changes that had an immediate and major impact on what I got out of my analog equipment.I never had the Titan i in my system but I assume it's another great phono cartridge since it shares heritage with the Atlas.
Btw, I love it when young people chew gum while they start to listen to my tactile, labour intensive system and then drop their jaw (and gum on the floor!) as the realisation of MP3 Hell hits them!
No, I can't quite see this coming back into vogue. I swear that the human race is going to end up like the future Earth population in Wal-E, where nobody moves, especially from their computer.
Joking aside, I absolutely HATE this trend in modern life for entertainment at a second's notice with no work put into it, and nothing tangible to hold.
Absolutely! I'm thinking of some musician friends who wouldn't mind being recorded. I fully agree -- this is a terrific learning opportunity
Gotta spring for a mic preamp -- was considering two channel, exclusively, until I read up on the Decca tree configuration...hmmm -- might need a mixer, too.
We have your digits and I think you have mine as well...love to share a meal with you, but don't want to horn in on your networking,
the oil I use for both motor and TT bearings is Motul V300 Power Racing 5-W30. It is a fully synthetic double ester, base is copra.
are we rejecting some useful measurements, like, in this case, wow and flutter and noise? I don't know the answer, but maybe this would be a useful topic for one of the glossy rags to investigate? Get several high quality rim, dd, and belt drive TTs and look at some of the physical measurements to see if they correlate to drive type and then within a drive type see if different measurements can be correlated to different sound qualities?
Wow and flutter
This is what used to be used to quantify turntable performance back in the heyday when all types of drives were common. Is it a lost art these days.
Noise levels are the other thing that matters with a turntable as I recall. Those are also measurable.
Albert - pleased you are happy with the latest mods. It underpins my experiences that power supply improvements in TT's can yield massive improvements. My latest "mod" was to strip the motor in my Final Audio TT,clean and replace the oil with Motul V300 Power, a double ester synthetic that is very unctuous. The Final motor has top & bottom bronze bushes, spindle and thrust pad similar in size to a TT platter bearing. The level of improvement in sound I would describe as substantive as changing from a Koetsu Black to a Koetsu Red. Yoicks.
If I remember correctly, this theory came out in the late 70s or early 80s when BD advocates tried to explain the superiority of BD. However, I have never seen any concrete prove that this is a fact. Ill rather believe it depends on the model of the TT rather than the drive system. After all, a BD TT could sound cold too!
I have heard a SP10MKII in a Japanese Lead Console plinth sounding fabulous (without the coldness) in my friends system.
Part of the problem could be that both of us were using the stock Technics plinth, which I understood was not that great. We are in the process of getting some slate plinths for our MKIIs
I also ran into an Exclusive P3a with a price tag that I couldnt resists. I have yet to set it up in my system, but I am expecting some serious fun comparing all these TTs in the next few months! For grounded arms, will have the FR64S, Phantom MKI, SME V, Schick, Technics EPA 100 ready. :-)
No doubt there is no place for turntable shenanigans with this crowd! I have no doubt they all sound fantastic! How much better can it get?Actually it's surprising how much difference there is between various turntables, but you probably know that.
I am a fan of line arrays in the right (generally larger I would think) room, just wondering if you have ever compared and contrasted their presentation with anything more omnidirectional in nature in the same space?
The Terminator / Lenco combo, like other good idler drive, had more drive and bass slam, while the Rockport had a blacker background and better layering of instruments within the soundstage. Of course, since we were using different arms, some of the difference might be with the arms instead of the TTs
I could live happily with either TTs. If pressed, I would say I still slightly preferred the characteristics of the Rockport, but I certainly wouldnt feel deprived if I only had the Lenco. I was so impressed with the slate plinthed PTP Lenco that I also acquired one after the comparison.
I have also ordered the Salvation / Terminator combo, which should reach me in the next couple of months! :-)
Thekong
The arm is air bearing. I personally don't quite yet get the performance/engineering benefits of the arm, as opposed to the rim drive which is just such a positive advantage over belt drive. In the end I'm a fan of the synergy of the drive and arm technologies.
I do feel this tt with the integral linear tracking arm will get me a fair way along the analog musical nirvana path that is the SP10/NVS at a fraction of the entry ticket ($5-6000 the pair). To get an idea of the engineering, go to the 'Lenco Heaven' website, then to 'other turntables', then to 'from Lenco to Salvation'.
-- available to record and reproduce our own tapes...recording graduate student recitals, for example...as well as execute analog tape transfers.
03-12-12: Albertporter
My MK3 is on the way back to Music Technology for what is promised to be a major upgrade.
I also feel that a machine without bridge will sound better, as the signal flow will be shorter. But sometimes this is not true.Most people agree that no bridge is better performance. I have not heard but it makes sense as the signal is routed more direct with bridge removed.
I think most of the debate about the A820 versus A80 audio performance is due to the presence of the old NE5532 IC used in the audio boards of the first one versus the discrete transistors of the A80.
I believe that at this end of the market improvements are more subtle than they purport, whereas your comments seem more rooted in the real world and you give enthusiasm and 'best ever' comments sparingly.
The good thing about the A80 audio and supply cards is that they only use discrete components and you can upgrade them significantly just changing a few critical parts. I have recently got a spare pair of playback cards to modify.
Tape simply is the closest to the unaltered, unedited, uncompressed original as we can ever hope to have.
Albert, That sounds interesting. Is it available for the Mk2 as well?
Albert--maybe the occasion of being without your Mk3 will allow you to begin sharing detailed assessments and opinions of the NVS... There are some curious folks out here!
Albert, I m with you on this . 17 years 3 turntables does indicate that you tried to squeeze every ounce possible out of the turntables.
1 person meat is another person poison.
I would say 95% of the posts on this forum are from people who haven't heard the gear in question in their own system, or who are commenting on their own purchases, for which the reader has no reference ( where from, to ) and of course if I bought it, it must be good.
As a former high end dealer, I was astonished at how many people, and its a male attribute, have already decided what something is going to sound like based on looks, technology or hearsay. In other words, even when they are sitting in front of the stereo, they are still not listening.
I wouldn't buy some of the gear you use, but your insights are great and shared knowledge is appreciated.Perfectly understandable, that's why we have so many high quality choices to build our system from.
03-09-12: Glai
I was referring to albert's post.
I am not the internet audio police but you have gone through several turntables in the last few years claiming each and every one fabulous....people need to have a better understanding of your goals..and take everything with a mist of salt!
no offense Albert but you evaded my questions... again I ask the question what are you trying to accomplish?
if you do not have a goal to work for/to either to make your system play like live music or other... your just playing with yourself with equipment changes
(selling this turntable for that one etc) do you get where i am going with this.
let move forward people
see steeling from peter to pay paul syndrome meaning you just keep making trade offs with equipment but do not have direction on where you are going...never once have I read that it sounds more like real live music with your changes
Another mat that looks interesting is the 4 lb. copper mat from TTweights. Do you think that would work as well as the Cu-180 on the mk2? The Cu-180 seem to go for around $600.00 and are not very easy to find. The Cu-180 I believe is made of gunmetal. I wonder if gunmetal is better at blocking emi/rfi than copper?
Re your opinion that you prefer the SP10/NVS over the Walker; since the Walker is superior in all engineering respects ie isolation/airbearing/vacuum hold down/material mass,
or as belt drive advocates argue, is it the synergy of isolation/mass/materials, plus speed, that work as a whole, speed being vital but not a deal breaker?
Other than the Trans Fi, Brinkmann Bardo, Grand Prix Monaco 1.5, Inspire (Technics SL 1200 based) Monarch, there is no chance of auditioning DD/idler in UK/Europe (plenty of belt drives, however), so choice to go non-belt feels a little risky due to lack of exposure.
Any chance of the NVS having a home in the UK to be able to be auditioned. If I find I love her more than my girlfriend! I might be tempted to invest in her.
Albert, in the UK we're a little short on choice re DD/idler. Our choices are limited to the Garrard 501 (overpriced in my opinion), Brinkmann Bardo which is undoubtedly impressive, or importing a Grand Prix Monaco 1.5/Steve Dobbins The Beat, refurbished Garrard 301 or 401/Technics SP10 Mk2 or 3/Lenco L75 (Oswalds Mill, Artisan Fidelity, Steve Dobbins) which obviously can't be auditioned first in the UK, or the NVS, which is to die for but priceiest of all, and again impossible to audition in the UK.
Can you check out what appears to be the most affordable of all options: the Trans Fi Audio Salvation idler drive, which uses a variation on the Teres Vertus idler drive, with it's Terminator T3Pro linear tracking tonearm: the total package approximates to $4500, and seems a fantastic bargain in this company. Indeed at a demo in the Far East some months ago, a lot of listeners in a blind trial preferred the Trans Fi sporting a Decca London Ref cart against the Rockport Sirius 3 with Ortofon A90 cart (Mike Lavigne's prev rig).
Dear Albert,
Do you think the MS CU-180 is good for the MK2? I see the opposite opinion from the Lewm's post (about TT101, but I think the same applies for the MK2). What are your observations?
Hi Albert, great info. As you know I'm wanting to ad a DD table to me system to offer another flavour and find mt self leaning closer to adding either a SP10 MK3 or Kondo The Beat
As you know Steve also offers the MK3 but highly suggests his Beat surpasses such sonically.
Yes the MK3's seem to be very limited and when you do find one as you mentioned very costly and the question is has it been properly modified.
What are the difference between yours, Steve Dobbins and Artisan Fidelity.
I have not seen such in person. I have been in contact with Chris and of course he says his sounds over all superior over yours and Steve D, visa versa with Steve also. Chris mention he has first hand experience with both of your tables.
Albert, Right now I'm alternating between a Boston Audio Mat 1 and the Herbies Way Excellent 2 mat. I have tried the HRX weight from my VPI Classic a couple of times. It did not seem to make much of a difference on the MK2. I have an old clamp I have not tried yet. What have you had success with?
Hi Albert, has Scott come over as of yet confirming your Talea set-up is 100%?
So what were your findings in comparison to relation to using the small halo compared to the larger one under you NVS table?
I'm sure by now you have a handle on the difference v/s using your Vibraplane under such so kindly do share.
Sub-woofers, is there a specific reason why you choice the model you did over others within the family?
Have you tried other subs and if so what did you find to be the differences?
In your system was the sonic benefits so great that it was a no brainer to add such? If so what were those.Not a no brainer at all, at least not in the beginning. For a long time I had problems with driving the subs without getting an interaction with my main speakers (electrically). I can explain that again but it's posted in my forum thread earlier. The problem is Class D and impedance.
I read you have them connected directly to your pre-amp using balanced IC's so I take it you are using their set-ups.I had a custom JFET buffer built since the JL Audio subs were not suitable for integration with my tube preamp and tube amps. The custom buffer changed what the preamp saw from 10K to 470K and isolated the (JL Audio) digital amp from the remainder of the system.
How do you have them dialed in.
In the past, not with my current speakers I tried numerous subs and would enjoy listening to several songs but then found it not so on others, I tried and tried. I had several individuals assist but in the end sold them.
I haven't read a awe factor yet in any of your posting suggesting the NVS surpases your SP10 MK3 at anything as Mike has conveyed with his own SP10 MK3 including "Kondo The Beat" and on and selling them off.
As you know I'm looking at buying a DD table and just not yet sure what so your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
I currently own a TW Black Knight and Micro Seiki 5000 which are marvelous pces and a DD table would be a nice ad to the mix.
Hi Albert,
When you say the NVS is very quiet, is it quieter than any other table you have heard and/or compared?
When you mention "Superb midrange" does it compete or surpass other tables which are your preference is to date?
Not having bass push, that alone has a impact on the over all sound.
Od that you have been told they feel it will perform better on their own platform, it is a non suspended table correct?
What is so special about the NVS platform design wise compared to your Vibraplane. What's the design philosophy.
Finally, have you received the two steel ballast plates for your Vibraplanes?
Was it set-up at the CES, if so with what arm/cart combo and system.The NVS was not at CES, at least not that I saw. The room with Evolution Acoustics speakers are where I expected to see it but instead source was digital plus a big Ampex ATR tape machine.
Did you get a chance to listen with the MIcro Seiki before you rewired the tonearm with the Ikeda silver litz?
BTW, any reason that you did not give a try with the A90 and Talea ll tonearm?
Eventhough your are not an Ortofon dealer, the tribe seems to like this match...are you now a Durant Talea dealer?
I heard the combo at Mike Lavigne's place, but for some reason it did not seem to be a good fit
Rockport...as you know, the air-bearing tonearms can be a little delicate when tracking the inner groves. It is important that the setup is completed carefully in regards getting the platter extremely level.
Olympos SL is delicious and I have come to the conclusion that the properties of the FR-1 MK3 make it a really great fit. I know a couple of other System lll's that are in favor of the stonebody Koetsu cartridges...like your Coralstone cartridge; are you still a dealer for Koetsu?
No dealer disclosure for Fidelity Research tonearms or cartridges, Lyra, Rockport, Myiabi, or Koetsu. However, I am involved with a small dealership that handles Ortofon cartridges.
and Albert, i think it's about time to get you back up here to the Northwest again. let's figure something out about that. i think all of us up here would sure enjoy it.
the dart pre and amp in my room are particularly synergistic, even their cable interface is propriatary, and my very adjustable speakers are dialed fully into the dart gear. the dart pre is also dialed into my A90 cartridge. everything is complimentary to the very neutral darts. you could even make the case that my room development has brought out the best in the darts in terms of specific treatment.
the Experience Music gear had to accomodate this environment. and it does have a bit more 'character' than the dart gear. in my system that turns out to be a bit restrictive to the flow as i have things set up.
oh and btw Albert.....it's pistols at dawn for your A90 comments. Im not sure how Ill ever recover from it. :)
Truly; there is no one correct cartridge for everyone. Just like there are many different valid system preferences. Can i argue why i like the A90 and why i think it's 'the best'? You bet i can. But so can others justify their perspectives too.
Albert, you have an open invitation when you find yourself in the Seattle area. Mike works nearby, so we often tag team the evening at both houses.
Glad to hear that you are enjoying the Talea. After ~50 hours, the cable starts approaching 'steady state' and the MintLP will definitely help improve the sound.
Design wise still appears to be very secretive,one would think if it is all this and that one would willing to share comparisons so to other DD tables.
In relation to the actual drive system do you know what it consists of.
Why is the platter not removable
What type of bearing design etc.
Jazdoc, did you get your Telos arm as of yet. I love the design of that phono stage, just wish I had more real estate space for all of those pces.
Albert even though you are a dealer for the Allnic this is a phono that Jazdoc is using should be on your list to try in comparison.
I'm looking forward to your NVS thoughts now that you have gotten it back and hoping you will not have any further bearing or other issues and be as biased as possible putting it threw it passes without any outside politics influences. There's been allot of hype around this table, Mike saying it's superior to the many tables etc. and getting rid of such.
Hi Albert, Fcowder, Jazdoc, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
I heard the A90 in a system first and liked what I heard and two things that stood out beiong the emotional connection and bass so I picked one up and enjoying, would have enjoyed to have been there to hear yours but as Fcowder replied said he heard one set-up and initual impression did not like it, something is odd.
I don't doubt what you were hearing.........the A90 misses from neutral, it tends to be a bit 'bleached'
Not to flog this to death, but am I correct in assuming that the loading, etc. was optimized for your comparisons? I only ask because I have heard excellent bass with the A90 and it makes me wonder if this could have contributed to your impressions.
Note that I have owned many cartridges over the years from Vandenhuls to Koetsu's and find the Ortofon to be at the top of the heap at least with the Rockport in my system. In all fairness I did hear one of Albert's A90 setups and for whatever reason was not particularly happy with the sound.
Fcrowder
Albert, I'll take the bait...I don't own an A90, so no dog in this (impending) fight. I have heard it in numerous systems, and while not my absolute favorite cartridge, I still consider it excellent. Is this simply a matter of taste or does it do something that truly bothers you?
Albert,
nice picture of the NVS with the larger halo. i liked the look with small halo; i like it better with the larger one.
glad you finally have the NVS in house, and look forward to your impressions when you get around to it.
Happy Holiday's to you and your family as well as congrats to your son John on his graduation from Texas Tech! that is a big deal!
have no vibration control platform under the Raven AC at the moment. I enquired as to the price of a Minus K but unfortunately if one considers the absurdly high import taxes in Brazil (approx 100%) I could not justify the expense. I will take a look at Vibraplane products although expect they are similarly priced to Minus K or perhaps even more. Did you find it produced very noticeable results?
I thought the NVS was supplied with its own custom isolation platform?
Ho ho ho...
Merry Xmas, Albert -- Santa's arrived with a gift...BUT, you were supposed to open it no earlier than Xmas Eve!
Sam & Sonny
I would love to be able to listen to them. But that is almost impossible nowadays, at least in Europe for what I know. I do not think they stock any of these at all anymore. They just build on demand.
Just wondering if the design can be somewhat outdated or better said, if a newer design can yield a better performance for the price.
You mention they are Class A. Are you sure that is the case? Thought they were A/B.
(1) I have a Nikon D40 & D60 with assorted lenses, and looking for a pocket camera to grab & go. Getting ready to be a first-time grandmother (my grandson will arrive on or before 12/31), and want to have something that will take videos and good pix on the fly. Do you feel the Sony would be a good contender for consideration?
11-13-11: Maril555
Thank you Albert,
Any specific Canon and Nikon models?
Ilia
Do you mean that for your 12 dedicated HIFI circuits you use 12x 20A circuit breakers plus 12 lengths of Romex cables connected to 12x 20A Porter Port outlets?
I guess your Hi Fi dedicated electrical consumer unit is in parallel to your house electrical consumer unit.
What is the Amp value of the dedicated hifi unit? ( amp of main switch).
Albert, did your write-up mention power conditioning accessories, e.g., dedicated lines, special dedicated power wiring (e.g., Transparent), sockets, conditioners and power cables. If I blinked and missed it . . . sorry.
hope may be on the horizon: on the Audio Exotics forum they have great experience of the Stahl Tek, and the Neodio NR22 cd/sacd player apparently runs it v.close
The good news is the Neodio costs c. $15000. I've heard it in the UK, and it far surpasses my EMM Labs CDSA SE with X Upgrade.
I could not find the exact price of the Stahl~Tek combo, and the information about it is very scarce. But as you guessed, the price of the Metronome combo is a lot more than what I can consider spending in a CD system.
The Orff CD was from the WERGO label? I have a few excellent recordings from this label.
So it does not surprise me that one who naturally takes to the sound of vinyl would be highly impressed by DCS (I was) or other sources with similar sound.
Not familiar with Stahl Tek but they appear to have some pretty hefty gear. I need to read up on it to see if they give any indication of what makes it tick.
Mapman
If you can, let us know more about your observations wrt Stahl~Tek. I'd be interested in your assessment -- if I couldn't be there -- that would be the next best thing :-)
Thanks Albert.
AFAIK, the Walter is almost three times more expensive than the Kuzma, putting it in another class. This could explain a lot in terms of preference.
Can I ask if your friend system was tube or SS based? I have read that the Stabi XL can be hyper detailed, that can sound bright in some systems. Did you get this impression?
BTW, when will we see your pictures?
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Albert,
Since you refer to have experience with the Kuzma air bearing arm, can I ask you opinion about the sound of the arm and the 4 motor Stabi XL4 turntable?
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The Airline (IMHO) has a cam-actuated lever to lock/unlock the VTA column and a large knob on top of the column to raise/lower VTA. It is the EASIEST to adjust and most user-friendly mechanism in this regard.
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Thanks for your response. I have not heard the SME 30 described as "beautiful" before. Just "built like a tank" and "purposeful", even "machine aesthetic". They all work for me. It's the sound that counts.
I will look up that Fremer review of the Kuzma.
If you recall, I talked to you about buying my PC-1 from your friend Alan. I love the cartridge and it is a great match for the SME V.
09-30-11: Mapman
Gotta say the guys in the music group photo resemble the crew of the Enterprise in the original Star Trek series as a glance with the gold, red and blue shirts!
Of course, Spock (blue shirt) would have the best ears for listening though I would not want to tune my system to a Vulcan's hearing necessarily.
Scotty (red shirt): "Captain I don't think the amps can take it!"
Kirk (gold shirt): "Audio? Just bring on the Orion slave girls....."
I keep asking my wife how much longer, plan was that we would be working on our last home by now but due to uncontrolled circumstances, mainly the crappy economy over the last few years, high costs it just hasn't happened and the economy really isn't looking all that promising for the near future.
When we move the plan is to have a separate building...I would also have an enclosed glass walk way to it so I would not need to go out into the environment
I have been looking at my current space and I'm thinking of having the furnace, water tanks relocated by 12ft. This does involve allot but doing such I would then have a space of 21ft by 45ft with 9ft ceilings to work with.
I'm concerned it just isn't a large enough space and that the trade off will be that my speakers will over load the room. Yes I'll be able to get them far off the back wall and side walls, only have my amps behind and between them and the rest of my gear far away and off to the side but with only 9ft ceilings by 21ft wide x 17ft compared to my approx 30ft x 35ft space with my various ceiling heights of 10 ft and over 20 ft. It would be allot of work to move everything to only go backwards or sideways, what do you think. I would have my speakers placed on the 17ft wall.
Albert, you know Romeo cat likes to live in VAC houses, maybe he'd come see you if you had those 450's.....he'd surely be tired of my measly 300's and move East.... :-)
P.S. That new table is frigging incredible looking! What a beauty!
Anyone can have a look through all of my past threads and you will not find once where I have ever settled and said this is it and been so enthusiastic over a specific amp, saying my search has ended and I'm finally off the merry-go-round. What I did do was continue to get pces and listen within my system which really assisted in my learning process.
These VAC amps just offer a complete package and then some that no other amps I have owned or heard or thought was possible in my system. This is no hype nor do I have any financial interest but still only my opinion.
I owned the Class-A Omegas and matching pre you speak of, very nice indeed. I had them for a few years driving the mid and top end towers units of my Infinti IRS V's
member ozy had the gryphon colleseums amps and mirage preamp and since replaced them with the same VAC pre and mono blocks that I have.
Your comment in relation to bass and control, well I can say without any hesitation if you ever have the opportunity to get Vac's 450 Statement mono blocks within your system you will be pleasently surprised and then some. Just make sure you have something to wipe up the drool and you are prepared to lay out the coin.
I had at my home a pair of Boulder 2050's, Karan 1200's, Bryston Squared 28's and lastly MBL 9011's. I would say all mentioned offer world class control and deep bass.
Okay, so now all ya need is a pair (or two) of the Gryphon Colosseum Solos, which between them sport 96 output transistors (as compared with 64 for a pair of Omegas, or 80 for a pair of Antileons), and operate in pure Class-A
Unhappily I never listened to the CA-M600 and it will not be easy to borrow one to listen.
But the interesting thing to me, about what I'm doing, at least, is that I'm running a lot higher power than my speakers could ultimately handle or my room 'needs.' In other words, I can't actually call on most of that power -- the speakers would distort and the room would overload. And even if my speakers could reproduce and my room could handle rock-concert levels, with much program material that kind of volume wouldn't be musically correct
That this should pertain even with non-monster speakers like mine, with just a single 3" midrange and a pair of 6" woofers per side and not 'hard' to drive, remains somewhat amazing to me, since just one of my amps should have more than 'enough' power for them. But, hearing is believing, and (despite having owned and enjoyed sub-50w amps) I no longer simply assume that 100 or 200 quality watts gets the job done right.
A few years back I had a pair paired up with my Isis speakers, any time I tried SS it just wasn't the same.
Any news on return of your NVS table.
I recall that period ('02 being when I got my VTLs too), I actually cast my vote on this thread for you to get a second set of 750s when you were still attempting to pair your first set with your old Air Tights. (I think I expressed doubt that even a custom-made tube crossover could obviate the need for matching amps in the end.)
(I'm now running circa a couple thousand watts all told, with merely mid-sized, mid-priced, 6 Ohm/88dB speakers, the Mordaunt-Short Performance 6, in a medium-sized room. Might seem like needless overkill to some, but not if you've done the listening comps.)
When last we chatted offline, you mentioned (paraphrasing here) that you were not, in principle, uninterested in possibly hearing what SS from some of the top contenders might sound like in your system.
So Albert, sounds like your soon to be "screwed" on your new mat :)
T_bone, that's interesting and I don't doubt you for minute. I always liked my previous SME and now my Grandprix with how they slightly raise the record in the center (SME used a washer, Grand Prix sorbothane about the size of a washer). I guess it makes the clamping action more effective.
The stabilizer had an optional 'sound adjustment attachment' which had a top plate which added about 350g to the 750g weight of the original stabilizer. It attached to the top of the original oil-damped stabilizer by means of a large thumb-screw-like screw. I did not know of it before receiving the materials you sent.
Albert,
My oil-damped stabilizer came with a small piece which fits into the spindle hole to 'grip' different spindle sizes. It does not have any threaded-ness to it, though, the spindle-hole itself is threaded with a rather large-pitch thread. I don't have anything else or instructions to go with either of my TMM products.
Hi Albert,
I see a pic now with your new NVS table placed upon your Vibraplane isolation, did you actually get the base as mentioned earlier and compare, if so what was your take.
I think you'll find the TTM Monitor Mat is a tad over 300g :^)
Hi Albert. Your system is sounding fantastic. Even more fantastic with the new Purist 25th Anniv wire and the NVS table. I wish I could have heard the wire alone, if you ever get your Technics spinning again, I'll try to come by.
I was a little surprised on the arm board arrangement for the NVS. Given it's price and seemingly top tier status, not allowing room for SME 12' arm (which is a common arrangement) seems like a oversight.
I'll be curious on your comments regarding the NVS vs Technics after you get some good quality time with the NVS.
sorry if i was not more clear about what Im using under the power supply of the NVS.
the power supply sits on the floor on the shag carpet. i'm using some small generic brass cones (tip-toes?) and then the Walker lead-filled pucks on top to ground it thru the carpet. i do have those large Walker cones but they are too big for the power supply.
"Great, a cable company that's introduced to me by a guy who markets a double-secret magic digital alarm clock from Rat Shack. How good can that be?" ;^)
Yes for sure it would be, looking at Mike's pics the combo looks sharp together.You can view my Wave images at top of this system thread. I may add the new image of Wave with both arms later tonight or tomorrow.
So is the base platform the only form of isolation then?
I really enjoy my Minus K platform I have under my TW BK table, having suspended floors this deals with such along with other air born vibrations.
Is the table dead quiet while running, say if you put your ear up close and if not how far away before it's not audible.
Big changes. Do you have any special reason or advise to choose the SME 12" to go with the NVS?
I hope to read your opinions soon!
Microstrip
If your up to it Albert, I would be curious as well. Just trying to think of what speaker would be bigger than Art's new toys?!!
As an FYI, my comment about the competition was simply in good humor.
Okay Albert, you may take the crown on speaker size in the spring, but Napoleon cat will still be mine! :)
P.S. Drop me a note and let me know what you're looking at getting for speakers...we both just bought the same Mach2 setup, only mine will run into the Vitus versus your Ayre. Did you go battery powered?
Just curious Albert. Do you and Art S have a competition going to see who can get the biggest speakers in their home?!?!
Albert, I was just thinking that if you are spending lots of time with metadata and the music server, then does that mean that it is sounding good enough to you to justify the time investment?
Of course I did not follow this advise myself even. I wanted to get all my CDs in yesterday. That usually makes for some extra work down the road. Oh well.
Neil,
What I'm attempting to do is synchronize WAV, FLAC and Apple Lossless music files into iTunes.
iTunes does not support FLAC so I have four programs that can accommodate all the music files but each work differently and not equally user friendly.
FLAC files don't play or display album art in iTunes normally and each of the other programs are different in appearance, design and quality and (so far) only one plays nice with iTunes and supports all formats up to 384.
That's before we even begin discussing the sound quality.
For ease of use I want absolute control with no monitor, so I have several programs I've experimented with to "see" my Mini with the monitor off. The best is "Remote" which is Apple software, it's slick as can be and is absolutely free to download and use.
The best remote desktop that controls everything (not just iTunes) is Log Me in Ignition which is quite a bit more complicated to download, install and use but it's capable of even running Photoshop if need.
The short answer is, right now it's looking like a runoff between Amarra Pro and Channel D Pure Music.
The user manuals on both of these is enough to make me run to my turntable :^). I do like the fact that 1000 + CDs and high res downloads fit in a couple of 2 TB hard drives I scored at Amazon for $88.00 each.
Last, it winds up being important to do some tweaks to the Mac Mini to make it perform it's best. Solid state drive, good USB cable, best Intel chip and maximum RAM. That should be no surprise to anyone who uses a computer, those facts help everything from Mail and Word to Photoshop.
Is that Technics table a belt or direct drive? I had a Technics table in the '70's and they were all direct drive back then.
You mentioned 3 crossovers, were they updated models for the Megaline, or for 2 previous speakers?
One question, I have a Lyngdorf TDAi2200 that I am currently driving my MBL's with. It has a very good sound quality, with a very neat party trick, it has the ability to select crossover points and slopes, and adjust the level between the two. Would it be worth giving it a try with the Megalines?
I have decided to add a single DD18 plus or a pair of DD12. (edit here) Would you go 1 or 2 ?
Hi Albert -
Thank you for your hospitality and the opportunity to visit and listen to your system a few weeks ago when I was in Dallas.
Chadnliz
Albert are you in Florida or Texas? I know we talked on phone a few times but I forget.......I am planning some trips and maybe if your close and free you could allow me the pleasure of hearing your rig.
beautiful plinths for your MK IIIs. I aquired a nice MK II and I am looking for a plinth with two arms. One arm will be a completly rewired Micro Seiki Max 282. It has a big counterweight as you properly know. Is it possible to store such heavy weights under the plinth?
Albert, now that you have had your Audiocraft AC4400 for a while, would you care to comment on it?
12-24-10: Microstrip
Albert,
Are you referring to the compressor being quieter?
What pressure are you using with your Vibraplanes?
Albert,
What type of acoustical panel did you install? Are you relying on diffusion of absorption?
Yikes!!!!! Nothing about your first born??!!
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I've read where the isolation effects of the Vibraplane can be achieved cost effectively using a heavy granite slab from Home Depot resting on four tennis balls.
I am considering an active isolation platform for my turntable. I am looking at the Kinetic Systems 8001, which is not air based, rather piezo-electric if memory serves me.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you value your isolation platforms? An thoughts on sonic impact with your experience would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Albert , look through the website and didnt see the test version CD for sales anywhere.
A really splendid system just continues to get better as your refine it further, I left quite depressed about my own setup...
Napolean cat was waiting for me when I got home, and sends his best! He wants to come with next visit. :-)
One of the nice things about having two turntables and four arms is the ability to optimize the arm cartridge interface and to be able to compare multiple cartridges in real time.
Any recommendation of CD or LP to help integrate the sub?
FWIW, Kevin Barrett maintains that he knows of no one having yet demonstrated through standard measurement techniques what "cogging" supposedly takes place in even the humble SL-1200 (much less the SP-10 Mk.III with its higher pole count, heavier platter and higher torque).
Albert, am I understanding correctly that the TimeLine works on a "lighthouse"-like principle, where a timed indicator beam comes around once every platter rotation and instant-flashes 33 1/3 times a minute? If so, it seems to me that this could only offer a way to gauge relatively long-term trends in average platter speed, but not momentary micro-variations that continuously happen and get corrected anywhere throughout the 360 degrees of rotation. Or am I missing something here?
Motors all cog at one rate or another. If the platter is heavy enough it may reduce the flutter, or cogging, but maybe that would put too much of a breaking effect on the motor.
Then I remembered that CD is perfect sound forever--DUH!
Analog jitter is cogging.Not in the case of the Technics MK3. What I described is more like the energy one feels in a car when you rev the engine.
Albert, in theory I too am suspicious of bearings that allow deflection and don't provide a "mechanical ground pathway", which would include air-bearings as well as full-magnetic bearings.
Lower motor speed equals lower vibration frequency and amplitude, which must be a good thing, as well as higher torque, which your experience would seem to indicate is a good thing too.
When are we gonna be treated to an action photo of the very Samson-like Albert Porter straining against the two pillars-of-a-speaker?!!
Albert, can you please report about the 2010 Allnic Verito versus the older Verito, and also versus the Puritas.
Dear Albert,
Thank you for the sublime listening session of April 1st...no April Fools, here :-) Savoring Nirvana and Stevie Wonder - on vinyl - and the out-of-print Suite Espanola - The Tape Project - on your system, yields an utterly intoxicating effect!
Vbr,
Sam
OK, I am also guilty - I have bought a distance laser meter that is accurate to 1.5m in 70m to help placing speakers. There was a much cheaper one that had 3mm accuracy but my Sound-Lab A1s only like the best!
Naive question : why do you want to set the speed of the turntable with 2 PPM accuracy if for the excellent Studer A820 the tape speed deviation is +/- 0.2% max and tape slip is 0.1% max?
Yeah, me too :-) Seems like Tom is designing/manufacturing some pretty neat stuff for you!
p.s. I hope Dali is monitoring this and retains you as a consultant - SERIOUSLY!
Are your working CES?
11-28-09: Nrchy
Wow lots of changes since the last time I was there! Has the smoke cleared?
Hi Albert
I will be in town Dec11 through Dec 13 and staying with Marty to hear his system (BTW you did hear the Gothams at his house when I was there 2 years ago and you came by)
I will be stopping by to also hear Bflowers system so it is promising to be a fun weekend
Oneobgyn (System | Reviews | Answers)
Albert, We haven't met, but we have spoken on the phone. If you are interested in hearing a pair of Gothams and a pair of F113's you may want to head out to Westlake. Marty (whom you know) has Gothams with Pipedreams speakers, and I recently replaced my REL Studio 3, with a pair of JL F113's with Wilson Alexandrias. Marty's room is huge and can accommodate the Gothams. My room is 24x17x11 and the F113's are plenty! I hate slow bass, and I think the F113's are near perfect. I have them crossed over very low as I have a full range speaker. However, one would be shocked at what one is missing down low. I think as the speakers inevitably get pulled out into the room to optimize their coherence, you lose some of the low end. Send a PM and perhaps we can help you with your decision.
Bflowers (System | Threads | Answers)
Winger
First post to this thread.
I have the Dali MS5's with McIntosh amp and preamp.
My challenge is trying to decide as to sub placement.
By-the-way, I now have your original MegaLine III active crossover. Perhaps, if the celestial bodies align, we'll be listening to our DALI's powered by four BAT VK-150SE's this Thanksgiving weekend! I hope my aural memory stimulates reflection of my reference experience via Chez Porter. :-)
only own a lowly VPI 16.5
Hi Albert,
Was Steve's setup the Ampex 350's or 351's? That A810 Im looking at is in great condition. Darn this hobby drives me crazy! Thx Roger
Albert,
I also went to the German site Tuchan has mentioned and found nothing of the sort as well. I would be interested, should you strike lucky.
Otherwise I completely agree with what was said of tapes versus vinyl. I own a few more prerecorded tapes than Albert has mentioned, but can think of only one or two which clearly bettered good vinyl on my highly modded Goldmund Reference. In a shoot-out between shaded dogs of the Chicago Symphony with Reiner and RCA's early two channel tapes of the same takes I found it difficult to say which I liked better on my rig.
I have a chance to p/u a Studer a810 also. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on it's sound compared to others. I have never heard the A810,but I just took delivery of a Ampex 440-B machine and really like it. The bass is really powerful.
Albert, I was wondering how your phono rig compares to the reel to reel with modern SOTA recordings?
Albert,
It appears the H3000/L4000 are going to be keepers for you currently. The review on 6 moons of the L4000 says it's acoustically dead silent but that the unit itself emits a transformer hum.
some cuts sounded amazing on the Verity Z even with less than 10 hours on it
03-22-09: Lewm
Swampwalker, Just wanted to be certain I understood you. Did you mean to say that Albert is auditioning the Allnic product(s)? Thanks.
Lewm (Threads | Answers)
Albert,
Your testimony on the SP 10mk3 is pretty convincing. How hard is it for a guy to find one of those and if it's popular why doesn't Technics reissue it?
Also, I heard a rumour that you are working on a review of the Allnic H3000 phonostage. If this is true, how soon shall we be looking for that?
Hi Albert, When you say that you have EQ for the speakers, I assume it is a Linkwitz Transform type of device? Similar to my Marchand Bassis?
Bob
There is no other noise, otherwise. when no lp is playing the system is dead quiet. Wouldn't feedback be there even when no lp is playing?
Though I do understand that when a lp is playing it is a different story.
Albert, I see that you do not have any subs in your system and according to the Dali website the -3db point of your speakers is 35hz. As Dan-ed said that he too has rolloff from his speakers and thinks that perhaps this is why he does not have rumble or subsonic issues. Perhaps you are experiencing the same thing?
You say you do not have any problems in this area. My question would be if you remove your clamp and mat do you then experience subsonic or rumble on a "naked' and unweighed platter. Or is it still silent?
Bob
12-10-08: Acoustat6
Hi Albert, Thanks for the response. So you always use a clamp or weight with a mat? What do you think contributes most to dealing with subsonics and rumble? Or for that matter what causes this?
I can say that the Walker is gone and that a table from downunder does not appear to be in Albert's future. On a related note, it is clear, at least to me, that the plinth which Albert designed for his SP-10 does an extremely effective job of handling noise generated by the direct drive motor and noise feeding back from the environment.Fred is correct, I sold my Walker and have no intention of purchasing a Continuum, although it was considered as an option.
Albert, you're a great sport! Shows that solid state and tube guys don't have to be "at-it" all the time. I'm sure the music was wonderful, and the host as courteous as he's known for.
No doubt you had a chance to exchange RTR exploits ... which from my vantage is a little too extreme. At least for me. But I wonder what your view is on that, especially vs vinyl and ever improving digital...
You didn't answer my first question though ...
I love it that you're rebuilding some older turntables, nice plinth too, but how do the Technics fare in the vibration absorption and speed stability department
... or on tape right, but a 24/96 resolution recording is included.
Albert, the PC-1 Supreme, the Koetsu Coralstone ... I guess the recession hasn't hit Texas just yet :-))
Did you preview the Black Pearl Reel to Reel from United Home Audio at RMAF?
BTW...Cannon or Nikon?
that weekend is mom's birthday. She will be around 85 years young.
Good news I've never been to Vegas. That would be a good place to try and hear The CLX.
Just wondering if you ever heard VMPS RV60 & VLA SUB. I just ran across them in beautiful Rosewood finish. A huge line array ribbon tweeter with matching subs.
Maybe he has to keep it somewaht revenue neutral. His walker has not sold yet. It is off season right now. I'm sure it will sell before the first cold snap.
Albert, you suggested that I pull the Megalines 5-6 feet from the wall. However my room is 13 feet wide - I used to put the A1s 1-2 feet from the wall. Or are you referring the distance from the back wall?
TUBES FOR AESTHETIX
Regarding the comments by Bud and Rayhall, the 6922 Sovtek would be my first change. For additional midrange and air, try the Siemens 6922 CCa or the Amperex US Military 7308 CEP. If either of these produce too much midrange presence, try the Mullard 6922 (gold pin). Realize, that when you upgrade to one of these higher resolution NOS 6922's you are listening with more intensity to the weaknesses of the remaining (original) tubes. You are judging the replacement, plus all that it exposes downstream. If after changing to the CCa or CEP, you find that there is too much "grit" in the sound, try swapping the 6SN-7 as described in my long post. After that, if you are feeling adventuresome, trade out the first stage 12AX7 tubes (Io only). Note, these 12AX7's are the ones I warned about, get TESTED, ultra noise tubes for this position. My first choice and the most beautiful sound is the Telefunken 12AX7. Other options are the RCA 5751, a US Military version of the 12AX7. The 5751 will alter the tonal balance somewhat, as it is not an exact replacement. There will be a slight loss in gain, with improved signal to noise and lower distortion. Overall, the sound will be a bit more on the dry side. One final suggestion would be the 12AX7 French Mazda. A good sample of this will produce significant improvements in high frequency transparency, especially compared to the Sovtek. However, the Mazda has not been without problems in my experience. The samples I received are not equally reliable or equally low noise. Some will play perfectly for many months while retaining their original "voice" while other samples will develop horrible microphonics and tube noise in as little as a week. This is a situation that could lead to disappointment with the Io, when in fact, the tubes are the culprit. Unfortunately, there must be some risk and experimentation within your own system to determine what is best.
02-01-01: Albertporter
I have used the Io for some time, and was the first to implement the dual power supplies. I have now done this with the Callisto as well. The Callisto is the matching preamp from Aesthetix. On tubes, I started with stock and after some break in, decided to change critical positions to improve the sound. The first four 12AX7 tubes (near the input jacks) are VERY critical, and any noise or microphonics in that position are going to make your life miserable. If you get professional help with any tube selection at all, make it these four. Other tubes that make a big difference is to replace the two Sovtek 6SN7 with the RCA 5692. The old military red base 5692 is the best, but the black plate RCA 6SN7 is a great choice as well. The Sovtek 6922 tubes used in the output of the Io are so bad, that almost any brand is better. I like the Telefunken 6DJ8, the Mullard 6922 white dot, and Amperex 7308 all nearly equal. The sound of these three sets of tubes is radically different, and the correct choice is in the ears of the beholder. The Sovtek 12AX7 tubes used in the outboard power supply, while audible, are not a good place to begin. Going to something extreme like the Telefunken 12AX7 ( as I have ) will be audible, however everything else needs to be at the limit, for this to pay off. Changing the EL34 tubes right beside the 12AX7's (still speaking of power supply) have a large effect on the sound. The two best are the MO Valve KT66 and the Mullard EL34. I have tried almost every tube that will plug in that socket, and these two are by far the best. To respond to the question of reliability, I run my Io 24 hours a day, NEVER turning it off. I pulled the Telefunken 12AX7 and MO Valve KT66 tubes from the two power supplies, and tested them against the recorded numbers from the year before. The loss in trans conductance was only about 12%. At this rate, the power supplies should run 24 / 7 for about 4 or 5 years. Upon testing the main unit, the numbers showed the 5692 (replacement for 6SN7) at about 15% loss in the first year, and the Mullard 6922 white dots (only about 6 months old now) show no loss at all. The main problem with this unit is the fact that ALL the gain is with 9 pin miniature tubes. There are no MOSfets or transistors at all to do this amplification. To make matters more volatile, the circuit uses NO feedback and is run with extremely high gain. This unit will take the .5 MV signal from a moving coil cartridge, and drive 40 feet of interconnect to amps requiring 5 volts peak to peak input signal. There is not another product requiring so much from the first few tubes in a step up stage. This simply means that some people are going to have terrible luck with plugging in tubes (especially UNTESTED) and others will have no problem at all. I think this unit fares pretty well as far as maintenance, but with the small signals from your phono cartridge being magnified with microscope like gain, care must be taken. If you have a problem or make a mistake, it will show up. The good news is that if this phono amplifier is set up correctly, it is without question the best product of it's type I have ever heard. The nearest competitor was the Magnum Opus phono from EASE. The EASE was the evolved version of the Counterpoint SA9, both units designed and manufactured by Mike Elliott. If the SA9 or Magnum Opus phono were still made today, I would tell anyone wanting zero hassle with front end tubes to give these units a listen. They are not as magic, silky or dynamic, because the first stage is a FET, but that FET resolves all the issues I spoke of concerning finding perfect tubes for the first stage. I hope this helps explain what and why and hopefully will allow others to make a decision you can live with. I would be pleased to offer suggestions as to which tubes, if a description of the current system sound is given, and a goal as to what you wish you could change about the sound and tonal balance.
Albertporter (System | Threads | Answers)
If one likes the planar dispersion pattern (and not everyone does), and can tolerate the "ugly room divider look", Maggies are a very cost-effective alternative to electrostatics.
Me again Albert,
The dedicated transformer is a very interesting angle. I know some folks in the industrial electrical supply biz so what are the key features I should look for? Can any licensed electrician install this stuff? Is there a particular industry that would use the stuff that would work best for audio? (medical,telcom,research, et.al.?) I value your opinion. Thanks.
Albert, Do you use any type of power conditioner? If you don't, why not? If you do what is it?
What are you expecting to gain from this record cleaning machine(other than I assume it's quieter)? Does it clean records better? How will you be able to tell?
I do agree with your dance music choices. I love Blondie, Yello, and to a certain degree Kylie Minogue. There was some other stuff from the 80's that was great. How about Depeche Mode, Peter Gabriel, The Cure, or the Psychedelic Furs?
I have "The New York Remix" and personally I can't stand it. Let me know what you think.
Ravishing is the word that springs to the lips: one of those tiresome British understatements, but it'll have to do. Evora has the most glorious voice, the melodies are heartrendingly Portuguese, the guitar-runs have escaped from a fado recording. The classic piano and string group of Miss Perfumada help explain its near-bestselling status, the near-Brazilian rhythms add the zip that tops the whole thing off.
Albert- I think you mean the Stabi XL, the Reference has been around for a number of years.
After listening to a CD on the Toshiba I think I am going to keep my Pioneer Elite for CD, SACD, and DVD-A playback. However I was using the Sunfire as the preamp so I will let you know how it sounds when I plug it into the CJ.
I didn't know that these guys were overlooked. Who exactly do people talk about when they discuss great music?
Back in the groove
14 May 2006
Technology Editor Tony Glover reports how in the iPod age the record industry is going forward by returning to the days of vinyl. BESET by digital piracy and increasing customer reluctance to pay for CDs, the music industry is fighting back with its latest technology - black vinyl records.
Music labels and high street retailers are busy turning back the Industrys clock to a time not only before internet song downloads, but also before CDs or even audio cassettes. The irony is that the vinyl revolution is being led by teenage consumers who are prepared to stand in line for the latest 45 rpm single or 331/3rpm LP (long-playing record) in much the same way that their parents, or in some cases their grandparents, did.
According to Rob Campkin, the head of Music at Virgin Megastores, vinyl is now outselling CDs when it comes to the latest records.
"Up to 70% of sales of new releases are vinyl. The fans of popular new rock bands like Arctic Monkeys and The Raconteurs prefer vinyl to CD," said Campkin. "When the Raconteurs' latest single was released, 80% of high-street sales were for seven-inch vinyl and only 20% were for CDs."
"We are not just talking about vinyl singles but also about albums - the format is just continuing to grow," said HMV spokesman Gennaro Castaldo.
The trend is born out by figures from record industry body, the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). According to the BPI's findings, vinyl records are a technology that has come back from the brink of extinction to take the industry by storm. Between 2001 and 2005, annual sales of vinyl single in the UK rose sixfold to over 1m, accounting for 14.7% of all physical singles sales in 2005, up from 12.2% in 2004. The industry expects vinyl figures for the current year to be even more dramatic.
The vinyl revolution has caught many of the big music labels napping. It is the smaller independent labels who have been able to snap up successful new bands. This has left big players in the industry, such as EMI, scratching their heads and wondering why teenagers are embracing a technology the music industry had dismissed as outdated and obsolete before most of them were born.
Record labels like EMI are finding themselves losing the next generation of music stars to upstart labels like Domino Records, which handles hit bands Franz Ferdinand and Arctic Monkeys, and Rough Trade, which handles The Strokes and rock music's latest human disaster area, Pete Doherty.
According to Virgin's Campkin, the smaller independents have one key advantage over the larger labels as far as the artists are concerned.
"The independent labels will release material on vinyl where the more established are more reluctant to do this," said Campkin.
One reason for this situation is believed to be that the mainstream music industry has forsaken vinyl to the extent that there is now no big vinyl processing plant in the UK. This means that the discs must be pressed offshore and that a large number of new vinyl recordings are limited editions that quickly become collectors' items. This type of operation, where limited pressings are carried out by factories in other countries, is better suited to the independent labels than to the more established players.
Virgin also reports a trend where fans will buy the CD when it is released and will wait weeks or months until the vinyl release before buying that as well. Some vinyl albums, such as the last White Stripes release, continue to sell consistently for months.
In addition to the new releases, retailers Virgin and HMV report a growing demand for classic pop records on vinyl from artists such as The Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan. Market research has shown that these new releases of older material are often being bought by younger customers, just as older "baby boomers" are increasingly augmenting their collections with LP's from modern artists such as the White Stripes.
"The original baby boomers, who are now in their fifties, are not only buying classic pop records by the Beatles or the Stones but are also adding new artists from the independent labels to their collections,' said HMV's Castaldo.
According to Virgin's Campkin, one major reason for the renewed popularity of vinyl is its collectability, which operates on two levels. On one level, collectability means seeing the value of a 99 pence (E1.43, $1.73) single CD increases 50-fold in a single year.
"The first 7-inch single release from Arctic Monkeys, which came out a year ago, is now selling on eBay for 50-60," said Campkin.
He added that the second sort of collectability is the desire to own a record collection of one's own.
"Vinyl is far more iconic in this respect," said Campkin. "The record
sleeve offers the consumer art work as well as information about the performers and song lyrics."
Some well-known music figures believe that the industry did itself
irreparable damage when it switched to CDs 20 years ago.
Roger Daltrey, lead singer of 1960s supergroup The Who, said in a recent interview: "The record labels sold everybody a white elephant with the CD. They pushed it over as being this wonderful musical formula that you can play forever that sounds better and is scratch proof.
None of it was true; CDs do not sound as good as vinyl and they last for five minutes."
Like other artists of his generation, Daltrey believes that pop music generally sounds better on vinyl as so much of it was originally developed to be played on the vinyl format rather than on digital equipment. Vinyl enthusiasts say that the bass and vocals on most songs cannot be accurately reproduced on a compressed digital format and that the music inevitably loses something by being reduced to what is essentially just a binary computer code.
Daltrey also believes that record sleeves are a key part of the attraction of vinyl. "We threw away an art form that was so much more than the record," said Daltrey. "The size of the cover was perfect for art work. Sometimes the covers were more important than the music. The more fingerprints you got on it, the more it was a part of you. With a CD, you start with a nice plastic box and end with a scratched plastic box; it has no character whatsoever."
Campkin said: "I think the record sleeve is paramount. With a vinyl album you feel you have spent 10-15 on something tangible that will last."
Daltrey also believes that it was the switch to CDs that ultimately led to the music labels' horrendous problems with digital music piracy.
"The problem with the CD is that if you can copy what is on it for nothing, as you now can, why would you want to buy it?"
Music retailers such as Virgin and HMV are also coming to the conclusion that consumers want a return to a more tangible format.
They fear that the logical conclusion to the evolution of digital music is a world without high street music retailers where fans do everything over the internet and download all their music via a PC.
Virgin plans to opens a new 25,000 square-foot Virgin Megastore in Manchester's Arndale shopping centre that it hopes will transform the way consumers perceive record stores. More space than ever will be dedicated to vinyl records and customers will have access to turntable and listening booths in the same way that teenagers did in the 1950s and 1960s. The store will also offer "chill-out" areas with armchairs and sofas where customers can relax and listen to music.
Virgin plans to use the same formula in other stores in the hope that it will be able to persuade teenagers to see the megastores as social venues as much as music shops. The company hopes that the strategy will enable it to offer consumers enough added value to head off growing competition from cut-price supermarket CD offers and internet download services. The music retailers do not believe that vinyl will ever entirely replace digital music formats. Instead, they predict that the same fans will often subscribe to both formats by downloading music for their MP3 players and PCs but will also wait for the vinyl release to add that to their permanent record collections.
Virgin believes that digital music downloads may not be as big a phenomenon as some the industry anticipates and will account for no more than 10% of the overall market by 2009 and that the appeal of vinyl will continue to grow to shoppers who want to take home something tangible and lasting.
Those industry players which do not become part of the vinyl revolution will see their market share decline as smaller nimbler players snap up the new artists and establish brand loyalty with an increasingly vinyl-hungry record buying public.
I have to say I am very biased. When I walk into a room I can tell immediately if it is digital. Then I lose all interest in their the gear. I guess I would make a terrible reviewer.
Wouldn't you agree that the majority of high end gear is good?
This guy does such a good job even though I have to put up with the shaking of the head at my Temptations.
The Temptations gave me goosebumps. They are so emotionally involving. I really am speechless.
Your current system a duece of 750's and the dalis.Hardly practical.
I think the general consensus is that the Sound Labs do warrant big tube amplifiers. Correct?
Would bi-amping the MG 20.1s with an electronic crossover have achieved the results you were looking for?
Sound Lab owners (past or present) speak of their time with Sound Lab speakers like a romantic might speak of that "great lost love." Have the Dali's let you "forget" about the Sound Labs?
Racing cars, I'm surprised your engineering / driving time is a low as 1:1 - I have a bunch of friends who like to build cars and it is more like 200:1 engineering / driving, so you must have been a very good engineer!
Sorry to hear your tale of woe, does this leave you with a problem bi-amping at the moment, or can you bypass part of the curcuit?
But I think I remember you were not so keen? Care to expand on that?
Albert,
You are the second person who has told me that they reduce the sound quality. In what way do they reduce sound quality?
one can never own too much Art Blakey. I have an original deep groove of "Moanin'My new mono copy has not arrived, perhaps because today was Presidents day? I didn't see the mail man or FedEx.
But I am not in charge of designing this system. By the way, I think that your suggestion that 2 percent of the public are audiophiles is wildly optimistic!
Existing digital material is already better than 98 percent of the systems it is played on, and improvement would therefore be, from the Sony/Philips point of view, a waste of time and money. I believe that, without going beyond 24bit 96 KHz, the addition of some data processing in the playback system could emulate whatever it is about vinyl that some folk like.
SO I guess I'll wait until it arrives and see what I have. In your opinion, if the amps only have 400-500 hours on them, do I need new 6550's yet? And I am curious to see if he has real Svetlana's or newer ones (Sovtek's)... I may take you up on your offer for the extra set of tubes (depending on how much they are).
Hey albert.. do you now anything about this page ??
www.hifigalleri.dk/html/gal_vi...
Or are he just stealing your pictures ??
Your VTL amps - do the power supply and amplifier stage separate in the mono blocks or are they just one chassis - the pictures look like they are single chassis with double handles?
Nextly, how many tubes do you get through? I read with fascination about all the various different brands you are all trying (and having difficulty sourcing too!) How much time and effort is it keeping all the plates spinning without losing the battle? Do you keep many spare tubes on hand?
these shows not only aren't on my calendar, I'm not even aware they're going on unless I catch a true audiophile happen to mention it...Have a bang-up time Albert!
Zaikesman...Your suggestion regarding the straightforward quality of the VTL amps affecting Albert's perception is plausible to me, although I bet that Albert will deny it. As a long time biamper I can tell you that there is also a psychological factor at work...it just "feels" right to use the same amps. Looks tidy too.
When at CES why don't you ask the Dali folk, not *whether* the amps need to be the same, but *why* the amps need to be the same. I cannot think of any technical reason.
Do the Mega's really need so much power? I can't seam to find an efficiency rating on the Megalines anywhere, but these line source speakers are usually fairly efficient. Is the necessary power a result of your crossover?
I don't mind using a sub woofer if it is closely and accurately matched to the mains, but I would prefer not to as I find the performance more seamless without one.
I must admit to struggling to try to understand the line sources snippet! My question related to RPG panels (I have just got seven installed myself) was that Dali had claimed little or no room treatment - yet you use it.....does this mean they might be exaggerating - or is it more searching for the absolute best sound you can get?
Kind regards
Design of line sources
As a line source I define a speaker with a very narrow and long radiating surface, which is used at frequencies above f = c/2L, where its length L is greater than 1/2 wavelengths. Often such line source consists of a vertical array of a large number of identical drivers on a narrow baffle. In other cases it might be a ribbon like, narrow and long conductor in a magnetic field, or a narrow and tall electrostatic source. Specifically, I am referring to lines that are at least 1.5 m (5ft) long.
Under free-field conditions such lines will have a wide and fairly uniform horizontal radiation pattern The vertical polar response will be very irregular and highly distance dependent, because of the finite length of the source [1]. In a room, though, the images of the source in floor and ceiling will make it appear as infinitely long, the more so, the less the gaps between the ends of the source and the reflecting floor and ceiling surfaces. Consequently, the line launches a cylindrical wave and illuminates the room very uniformly. The acoustics of the room, therefore, are of similar importance as for an omnidirectional point source. At sufficient distance the direct SPL falls off with the square root of distance, which improves the direct-to-reverberant sound ratio over that of a point source.
It surprises me that in a reverberant environment, such as a typical living room, these radiators give little indication of poor vertical polar behavior, even when the line does not fully extend to floor and ceiling. Clearly, the reverberant field in the room fills in any perceptual notches in the polar response. Standing close to the line and moving with one's ears up and down, the acoustic image does not change and follows the ear over the active length of the line, almost to its ends. Imaging is very precise, when standing or seated in the near-field of the line, which is closer than the typical listening distance given by the apex of an equilateral triangle. At greater distances the images grow in height. This can be impressive on big orchestral pieces, as if looking through a large window onto the sound stage. Small acoustic sources, like a vocalist or a cello, though, become overblown in size. Line source speakers are at their best when listened to close-up like giant headphones. This preserves proper size imaging and gives the illusion of a large sound stage.
Vertical height of the sound stage adds to its realism. I find small 2-way speakers very unsatisfactory in this respect, even when they are correctly positioned at ear level height. Line sources provide this height, as do single tweeter symmetric driver layouts like LM-UM-T-UM-LM. In the latter case separate frequency ranges are assigned to each symmetrical set of drivers LM-LM and UM-UM, such that any free-space vertical lobing is minimized. This type of source suffers considerably less from the image size distortion of a uniform line.
An added advantage of tall sources is their relatively large radiating surface area, which means small excursions and, therefore, progressively lower non-linear distortion for a given maximum sound level. The low distortion aspect is even more important, than sound stage height, wide angle horizontal dispersion and uniform power response. Low distortion means increased dynamics and clarity, and the ability to play back at near live levels without listener strain. It brings the naturally occurring distortion mechanisms of the ear into play, which are necessary elements for creating an illusion of reality.
Sensitivity can be high. A line with 25 identical drivers connected in series-parallel to obtain the same combined impedance as that of a single driver, will have 14 dB higher SPL for the same voltage applied.
Stored energy is not necessarily low because of the many cabinet and driver chassis cavity.
(The advice of mine I was referring to was using identical amps for all four speaker inputs as opposed to different kinds for bass and treble. Given the mid-band crossover point, I strongly suspected this would be fundamental to getting a totally integrated sound before dropping more bux on a custom-re engineered crossover...)
Pathetic, but fairly cool. But pathetic. I did score an Illinois Jacquet on Verve.I think I have that album. It it the one with his likeness as a drawing on the cover?
Now I have two incentives to travel to Dallas. A long time friend lives there with two little girls I have to meet. Reason two is that I need to meet you guys.
Being a photographer, maybe you can help me. I would like to get a poster made of an album cover(Sade;Stronger than Pride) the cover is in mint condition, any idea how i can get this done? Thank you,Ray
hopefully you all will still welcome me after a few weeks! I gotta tell you that I have yearned to listen to your system this week so I am looking forward to returning next week.
Interesting - I hadn't realized that VTL has now discontinued the previous generation Reference amps, the MB-750 and MB-1250 (plus, it seems, the triode-only MB-250 Signature). I remember talking to Bea around the time the Seigfried first came out; I assumed it was to replace the older amp, but she said the traditional-style Ref models would continue and that they didn't sound entirely the same, and that some people preferred the sound of the old series, some the new model.
Albert, I was listening to some bass-heavy, early-70's vintage rock live-in-studio demos on CD tonight, and was reminded how, back when I originally installed the KT88EH's, my very first listening impression was of how much more authoritative a bottom-end those tubes had compared with the 6550C's. There does seem to be some sentiment in the forum threads I researched to support the notion that the EH betters the SED in this area, and that could help explain why VTL seems to have more reservations about the KT88's bass than I do.
It's kind of noteworthy that they didn't prefer the newer Svet 6550C to the previous version, which isn't the received wisdom I've seen elsewhere.
So it was an intentional decision to go symmetrical. It's been a while. I was taught the ideal room shape would be a trapezoid ( no sides parralell)
Twenty-first Century state-of-the-art in
performance... superb image density, the ability to create an almost infinite number of images...
... Even at moderate volumes these amplifiers
have an authority that in my experience cannot be equaled. The authority is heard not only in the precise and tuneful bass, but all the way up to the very airy top end...
Given the right material and the right speaker system (say the PipeDreams), the MA-2 can create an illusion of real sounds that, at moments, are quite uncanny. Its ability to encompass quite wide dynamicsSo reviews say everyone is abandoning tubes for transistor? Thats silly, neither position nor audio review proves anything.
while resolving , during forte and stronger passages, the quieter and more nuanced small dynamics from other instruments, is unsurpassed in my experience.
Combine the dynamics and the clarity and accuracy of its reproduction of fast (and slow) transients, and you reach what I believe to be a new level of realism in home playback.
I could hardly believe my ears.