Description

this room and system is the result of 10 years in High End audio. my system has been stable for a couple of years (except for transport and amplifier upgrades within the same brand). the room has been in the planning stage for about 18 months and i actually moved in a little over a month ago.

my audio philosphy is to have the system get out of the way of the event. i like as pure and simple a signal path as possible and, at this point, prefer passive to active gain stages. i love all the formats and enjoy having lot's of music.....vinyl is my favorite but i listen to at least 60% digital. the new room really reveals the benefits of SACD over redbook.

the system and room truely allow the event to be recreated before me. i love the way the speakers disappear and i am transported to another place/time.

i have choosen my cables, sources, amps, speakers to have as little of their own sound as possible.

recently, i upgraded my digtial transport from the modified Philips SACD 1000 to the new emmlabs CDSD.....this was a significant step upward in performance.

i have written an article in Positive Feedback regarding my room building experience.....here is a link;

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue16/lavigneroom.htm
Read more...

Room Details

Dimensions: 29’ × 21’  X large
Ceiling: 11’


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    • Evolution Acoustics MM7's
    twin towers, 600 pounds each, main passive tower, 82 inches tall, active bass tower, 84 inches tall.

    passive main tower, 97db, 7 ohms, so easy load. active bass tower has 4 analog adjustments for ideal room integration.
    • darTZeel NHB-468
    Mono block Amplifiers. amazing first watt, transparent and rich tonality. great match for my speakers.
    • darTZeel NHB-18NS with 2 internal phono stages.
    battery powered preamp with 2 separate phono stages. uses BNC 'zeel' cables between pre and amps.
    • Evolution Acoustics 7.5 meter 'Zeel'
    7.5 meter pair of BNC cables from preamp to amps.
    • Evolution Acoustics 'System' speaker cables--10 feet
    new version of these cables, a big step over the amazing TRSC model i have used for 10 years. fantastic performance.
    • WADAX SA Reference DAC
    Wadax Reference Dac----state of the art dac with 2 separate power supplies. the best dac i have heard by a good margin. below is a link to a thread about my Wadax experience.

    https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/wadax-reference-dac-and-server-arrive.34173/#post-771357
    • WADAX SA Reference Server with Akasa optical interface
    ultimate state of the art music server using Roon. includes the Akasa optical interface.
    • WADAX SA Reference Server power supply
    additional chassis power supply to improve the Wadax server performance.

    https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/wadax-server-psu-unit-has-now-arrived.36722/page-6#post-948318
    • WADAX SA Akasa DC cables (3)
    replaces the standard DC cables. takes the performance of the Wadax Reference system to 'Level 4' for ultimate performance. Red in color.

    https://wadax.eu/akasa/

    https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/wadax-server-psu-unit-has-now-arrived.36722/page-9#post-971100
    • Arya RevOpod isolation footer (32 used under the 5 Wadax Chassis).
    height and tension adjustable. the Wadax dac, server, and server power supply chassis all use 8 footers, so it's critical to be able to adjust height and tension to have an even support for optimal performance. RevOpod's are unique in those attributes making them ideal for this use.

    https://www.arya-audio.com/revopod
    • CS Port LFT1 turntable w/arm
    air bearing platter and air bearing linear tracking arm; string drive with zero feedback dc motor, low pressure, low flow air system with zero noise air box.

    world class musical flow, nuance and delicacy, combined with authority and ease. serves the music completely.
    • Esoteric T1 Turntable
    magnetic drive/rim drive idler turntable with torque adjustment.

    with the deletion of my NVS turntable, i was able to move the Taiko Tana active isolation shelf to under the Esoteric T1. this has upgraded the performance of the T1 significantly. objectively small changes, but musically quite profound up tics in realism and immersion. more nuance, greater music focus, better bass articulation. 

    https://www.esoteric.jp/en/product/t1/top
    • Esoteric G1X Master Clock
    Master Clock Generator for speed improvement for the T1 turntable. significant improvement in music realism.

    https://www.esoteric.jp/en/product/g1x/top
    • Durand --Tosca tonearm.
    gimbal bearing design. Tosca is on the Esoteric T1 turntable
    • Primary Control 12" FCL tone arm
    Field Coil Loaded uni-pivot tone arm. with power supply. mounted on the Esoteric T1 turntable. amazing natural and very high resolution tone arm. link below.

    https://www.primarycontrol.nl/Field_Coil_Loaded_Unipivot_Tonearm.html
    • Glanz MH-1200S 12" tone arm
    12 inch tonearm, stainless steel. used for the Sumile mono cartridge.

    https://glanz.tech/e/collection/mh1200s1000s900s/
    • Experience Music/Intact Audio phono corrector + silver wound MC Trio SUT combo for three different tonearms.
    bespoke tubed phono preamplifier. silver wound, with custom dual power supplies.

    https://myemia.com/LR.html
    • LFD -3- Phono Cables DIN to RCA
    3 sets of very high performance phono cables. amazing performance. built by Dr. Richard Bews in the UK.

    one cable uses a DIN to RCA short Dongle + an RCA to RCA interconnect. the Dongle improves the performance of the DIN connection. details at the link below.

    https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/lfd-cables-phono-and-i-c-from-the-uk-cables-as-components.31243/
    • DaVa Reference cartridge
    field coil cartridge. with tube power supply.
    • two Etsuro Golds, ---a pair of Reference MC Phono Cartridges.
    duraluminim (A7075) body, 24 carat 'Kinpaku' Gold Leaf finish, diamond cantiliver. .3mv output, 4 ohms. these are both special versions of the Etsuro Gold.

    one is mounted on the CS Port linear tracker.

    one is mounted on the Primary Control FCL arm.

    finest cartridge i have heard by a significant margin. WOW!
    • Audio Technica MC-2022 60th Anniversary cartridge
    uses the unified stylus cantilever design. which results in extreme lack of distortion and linearity. remarkable neutrality and ability to dig out detail and keep it natural and musical.

    https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/at-mc2022
    • Murasakino Sumile Mono phono cartridge
    MC cartridge for mono records, .04mv output. tracking force 3gms. finest monaural cartridge i have heard. competes on musical refinement with the top stereo cartridges. 

    https://murasakino.audio/en/products/sumile-mono.html

    Mounted on the Glanz MH-1200S tonearm. mounted on the Esoteric T1 turntable.
    • DS Audio Ion 001 Vinyl Ionizer
    generates positive and negative ions to remove static charge from vinyl records. 

    https://ds-audio-w.biz/products/181/
    • CS Port Static Eliminator IME1 (two of them)
    An unprecedented accessory focusing on cartridge friction. It suppresses the effects of static electricity and makes records clearer.

    one is on the CS Port tt, one on the Esoteric T1 tt.

    https://www.csport.audio/products/products-ime1-en.html
    • Stage III Concepts 1.5 meter XLR set of Gorgon interconnects.
    high performance interconnects. used from the Wadax Reference dac to the darTZeel preamp.

    http://aaudioimports.com/ShowProduct.asp?hProduct=283
    • Ampex twin ATR-102----one 1/4" and one 1/2" reel to reel master recorder
    hot rodded by ATR Service Inc----Andrew Kosobutsky. significant upgrades over stock. each interfacing with hot rodded Ampex MR-70 preamps. the new tape deck performance standard in my opinion.

    https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/ak-hot-rodded-ampex-atr-102s-w-mr-70-preamps-replaces-my-studers.36288/
    • Kosobutsky 1.5 meter set of RCA interconnects + 8 meter set of XLR interconnects.
    1.5 meter set of RCA interconnects are used between the EMIA phono corrector and the darTZeel preamp.

    8 meter set is used between the Ampex MR 70 tape preamps and the darTZeel preamp.
    • Nordost QRT QNET network switch
    Network switch, with Nordost Qsource power supply.

    https://www.nordost.com/qrt-audio-enhancers.php
    • Synology 30 Terabyte NAS (a pair = 60 TB) music file storage
    mirroring music storage for my music files.
    • Massif Audio Design Audio Racks, solid wood
    2--double wide 3 shelf racks for sources

    1 single wide rack 4 shelf rack for Ampex MR-70 tape preamp chassis.

    https://www.massifaudiodesign.com/racks
    • Nordost Sort Fut rack footers (3 sets of 4)
    mechanically tuned resonance control device. supporting the three Massif racks.

    https://www.nordost.com/sort-systems/sort-fut.php
    • Taiko Tana (5 of them) Herzan TS-150 (2) + TS-140 (3)
    active isolation under 5 separate components: (1) the NVS turntable, (2) the MSB dac, (3) the darTZeel preamp, (4 + 5) both darTZeel mono block amplifiers. custom modifications by Taiko Audio add a linear power supply plus panzerholtz top layer + Daiza platform to provide full frequency resonance attenuation to each platform.
    • Taiko Audio Daiza isolation platform--22 used in the system
    Panzerholtz Platform with spiral cutouts reducing mid and high frequency resonance while retaining life and energy and not changing tonality.

    22 Daiza platforms in the system of various sizes under every piece of the signal path.
    • Evolution Acoustics 'system' power cables
    a new version of the TRPC model i used on my darTZeel 468 mono blocks for the last 10 years. a big step up.
    • Sablon Audio King power cord
    used on the Wadax Reference Server power supply.

    https://www.sablonaudio.com/power
    • Absolute Fidelity power interfaces
    power cords specifically designed for either motors (tt and tape decks), amplifiers, and components. 11 in the system.
    • Tripoint Audio Troy Signature
    Grounding box for chassis grounding the darTZeel 458 mono block amplifiers + grounding the passive main towers of the Evolution Acoustics MM7 speaker system.
    • Tripoint Audio Elite
    Tripoint Elite grounding box. this does chassis grounding for my sources. it uses a a pair of Tripoint Thor SE Master Reference ground cables for my dart preamp and the MSB Select II dac. there are also 4 Signature Silver ground cables to the two arm boards of the NVS tt, the power supply of the NVS tt, and the SGM server.
    • Equi=tech 10WQ
    10kva balanced Isoltion transformer and distribution panel.
    • Furutech GTX-D NCF Rhodium duplex outlets
    10 in the system. used with 10 Furutech covers and frames. uses NCF (nano crystal formula) material to reduce noise by emitting negative ions.
    • Wave Kinetics A10 U8 decoupling footers
    8 sets-of-4 in the system for individual tuning of each piece of gear.
    • Auralex T-Fusor diffusers
    i use 20 of these. 6 each on the front side walls, and 4 each front ceiling and rear ceiling.
    • Klaudio Record Cleaning System
    automatic record cleaner
    • Acoustic Revive RL-30 mKIII CD-LP demagnatizer
    for demaging any disc.
    • Furutech DF-2 LP disc flattner
    will remove warps from Lps
    • Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Anniversary Ed.
    will cook any cables
    • Winds ALM-01 Stylus Force Gauge
    easy accurate, repeatable, measurments.
    • i-Tower by Koncept LED floor lamp
    (3) are used. best audio light ever. 2 'warm', 1 'cool'.
    • Quietrock THX 545 drywall
    specialized drywall with a 1/4" metal layer. used in my front sidewalls to establish proper room boundaries.
    • Barn.... ......room is....
    ....most of the ground floor. 29' x 21' x 11'.

Comments 3405

i can listen all day to digital. we can mix digital with analog and not feel like we've left the music behind when doing the digital. all good things.

Now come on Mike you know that's all because of the Tel Wire Cord you got on your Playback Designs ;-)

cpk

Owner
Jfrech, my post from above on March 18th describes my initial experience last week with the new record cleaner, the Audio Desk Systeme Vinyl Cleaner.

5 days and approx 60 more Lp washes later; i am astonished by both the competency of the unit and the improvement in Lp sound.

i have found one Lp out of 75 that was very thin and required that i 'help' it to spin to get a complete wash cycle. other than that Lp, which might be the only one that thin that i own out of 10,000, every Lp went smoothly thru the wash cycles with zero drama.

my perspective is that this machine simply improves the whole vinyl playing experience so well it's a no-brainer.

mikelavigne

Hi Mike, what record cleaning machine? And congrats !

jfrech

Owner
Idos,

i agree with jtinn that in some ways digital (through the Playback Designs) has risen to the point of no longer causing us to want get 'back to analog'. it no longer has that 'etched' signature, it now does space and depth, i can listen all day to digital. we can mix digital with analog and not feel like we've left the music behind when doing the digital. all good things.

but....in my system very good vinyl still goes much farther down those roads than digital IMHO. maybe jtinn feels the gap is not as big as i do.

my enthusiasm for vinyl at the moment is maybe due to the fact that i just got a new record cleaning machine. in the last 3 or 4 days i've gone thru and cleaned my 75 most played (favorite) Lps....and then played them on my Rockport with the now fully broken in A90. these records sound better (by a good margin) than they ever have before. i'm mainlineing on all this fantastic vinyl so my posts reflect that 'glow'. frankly; the vinyl i've been listening to does 'trounce' any digital....but it is the cream of the crop sounding as good as it can possibly sound.

in any case digital has come a long ways.

mikelavigne

Mike,
Funny that the analog/digital debate rears it's ugly head once again. I read a report of a listener in your room as to how he preferred your Garrard on Brubeck's Take Five. Not having listened to this for a while I dug out all my different copies from a well loved original to a Japanese pressing that is so bright it makes my eyes hurt. I have not yet acquired the Classic records version.
I love analog, my CD player hasn't been turned on for weeks, but even so the SACD version of Take Five was clearly better than the other half dozen I listened to.
Which just goes to show that the particular software can have a bigger effect than the medium.
I still don't believe I sat and listened to an entire SACD!

idos

Mike:
You stated:
"my listening certainly supports the notion that a high torque dd system for tt's has considerable performance advantages....and 'The Beat' (and numerous other dd and idler tt's) should trounce any digital i have heard."

Certainly I heard differently in your house on one vinyl recording in particular that I thought was not as good as the CD. When I switched to the CD, not even an SACD, I believe we all agreed. I am not making this a digital versus analog debate. I am just stating that, IN SOME CASES, it really is software dependent. I would also say that IN SOME CASES, depending on the software, both digital and vinyl could beat a tape.

"Trounce any digital" in my mind is an extreme exaggeration and very much unlike you. Trounce most digital... maybe :)

jtinn

Owner
i'm going to Syracuse N.Y. to watch my UW Huskies play the West Virginia Mountaineers on Thursday night in the Sweet 16, hoping against the odds to stay to watch them play Kentucky (or Cornell) on Saturday in the Elite 8. if they play like they played against New Mexico they'll have a chance against anyone.

i wonder if there are any good audio shops or used vinyl shops in Syracuse.....as i'll 'hopefully' have all day Friday to investigate them.

mikelavigne

Owner
Marc,

you are welcome.

my listening certainly supports the notion that a high torque dd system for tt's has considerable performance advantages....and 'The Beat' (and numerous other dd and idler tt's) should trounce any digital i have heard.

i don't really have much experience with linear trackers other than my Rockport Sirius III (and the Sirius II i owned prior for a year). i've heard the Kuzma and various Clearaudio's at shows, but i've never lived with them. i can't say that direct drive and linear tracking have any particular connection.....other than they both 'potentially' have the most potential to sound 'ideal'.

sorry i can't be of more help.

i did love the sound of the Reed 2P arm on 'The Beat' and that's the way i'm going.

mikelavigne

Owner
Elescher; the short answer is that i do not hear any change between before painting the T-Fusors and after painting the T-Fusors. the raw thermoplastic surface of the unpainted T-Fusors is shiney, whereas the painted surface is a dull matte finish. i would guess that at some frequency there is likely a touch of absorbtion going on that the raw surface reflects; but my aurial memory is not quite good enough to pick up on it. maybe if i had 2 sets of T-Fusors, one raw and one painted, and could quickly change them back and forth, it's possible that a difference could be heard.

my gut is that considering the distance of my walls to my speakers and the degree of multiple reflections happening with that area of my room, that any actual diffierence in tonal characterisitics between painted and unpainted T-Fusors becomes insignificant.

i've been told that any standard paint on a flat surface will have the same mid to high frequency reflective/absorbtive qualities as any other.

i always assume that everything matters; but not every change can be heard.

mikelavigne

Hi Mike, I am wondering if painting your T-Fusors changed the sound of the room any?

elescher

Mike, thanks for you contacting Steve on my behalf. I'm pretty sure high torque direct drive is the way to go to re-establish superiority of vinyl over cd in my system. Out of interest, do you believe that a linear tracking arm is of equal priority to direct drive to extract neutrality and trasparency from vinyl or does a well matched pivoted arm with high torque direct drive tick enough of the correct boxes? I ask this because there is a linear tracker made in england that is well regarded' is reasonably inexpensive and it's design ethos seems to be on a par with that of direct drive. Regards.

spiritofmusic

Owner
Diva, if you can direct me to a source for that vocalist i'm happy to buy it; in any case thanks.

regarding my Auralex T-Fusors. my T-Fusors are 'empty', without anything inside, intentionally. this post explains it. basically i needed some diffusion but as little absorbtion as possible. anything that is added to the thermoplastic shell of the T-Fusors will act as absorbtion and change the tonal balance of the music. in my case i loved the tonal balance but needed to tame some of the 'busyness' and lack of image focus of the bare walls. the 'naked' T-Fusors accomplished that as you heard.

mikelavigne

Mike: I have an LP by the same Chinese vocalist. I will see if I can get hold another copy. If I do, I will send it to you as a gift.

Regarding the auralex reflectors, I forgot to ask you what are they stuffed with. I have been using other kind of auralex diffusors on my side walls and front wall ( see my system side walls http://cgim.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/vs.pl?vaslt&1066703453&viewitem&o8) but I am interested in trying the reflectors you are using. I think they better be stuffed, otherwise they can affect bass.

gallant_diva

Owner
thanks Supergrooved.

i guess Steve is quite busy then with very important things.

nice moniker btw.

cheers.

mikelavigne

Hi Mike,

Great system and love to follow what you are doing.

I actuality went for the Dobbins 301 because of your reviews about it. So keep it up....

Just wanted to say Steve should be working on my 301 haha!!!!

supergroverd

Owner
hi Spirit, thanks for the kind comments.

i don't really know the 501, so i can't comment about that.

i have heard the Monaco quite a few times; excellent tt, direct drive, beautifully built. i prefer the overall sound of either my Dobbins-Garrard 301 or my Dobbins-Technics SP-10 Mk3 to the Monaco; mostly just from a greater sense of foundation and weight. the Monaco is still wonderful in it's own right.

'The Beat' is another step up beyond my Mk3 and 301....with a slightly more refined sound yet also even more a sense of drive and thunderous bass...an amazing tt.

i've only seen and heard the beautiful Saskia once, at 2008 RMAF.....and that was only briefly. it's very detailed, refined and balanced sounding. i did not hear the level of energy i hear from my Mk3 or 301, let alone 'The Beat'.....but in such a brief listen i can't say it does not have that. i highly recommend the Saskia.

sometimes Steve is slow to answer e-mails (he should be working on my new 'The Beat'). e-mail me i will be glad to make sure Steve gets it and responds to you.

mikelavigne

Hi Mike, new to audiogon posting, and have greatly enjoyed the development of your system. Here in England we don't have much new to choose from in terms of direct drive/idler drive turntables except for the Garrard 501 Inspiration, and the Grand Prix Monaco which i will be auditioning with a Triplanar arm and Lyra cartridge. I haven't seen you discuss the Monaco very much: do you have any experience or opinions, especially in comparison to the Dobbins 'The Beat"? Also have you come across the Saskia which in terms of aesthetics at least is the most "to die for" turntable out there yet? Btw, I have emailed Steve Dobbins twice at [email protected], but no reply. Regards

spiritofmusic

Mike , I will be watching the Huskies today at 420. I think the Zags can beat Fla State and it would not be impossible to beat Syracuse if their big man is still out. Probably wishful thinking. We will be attending most of the games across the street. Have a great weekend.

cyrus

Owner
Cyrus, i'm not thinking past 4:20pm PDT today....and i hope the Huskies aren't either. agree that New Mexico State is for the taking if they get that far. OTOH WVU is likely the 'end' of even wishful thinking at the Sweet 16.....which would be great if it happens.

mikelavigne

Mike, Sounds goood. If the Huskies win their first game, I think they make it to the Elite eight.

cyrus

Owner
last night my Audio Desk Systeme Vinyl cleaner, Lp cleaning machine arrived. i went down to the grocery store and purchased 2 gallons of distilled water. i poured one gallon into the machine, along with a small bottle of cleaning fluid....set-up complete.

i placed my first Lp into the top slot and pressed 'start'. 5 minutes later i had a perfectly clean, dry Lp.

i listened to vinyl for 3 hours last night and cleaned 14 Lps front and back perfectly. the machine is on a table in the hallway outside my room. i could listen to one Lp while the next one was being cleaned and could only hear the machine when no music was playing....and then only during the drying cycle. i guess during quiet passages i did hear a slight amount of the drying cycle....but the trade-off was very minor.

about 2/3rds of the Lps had a drip or two on them when i pulled them out of the machine which i dabbed with a paper towel. these drips were not on the music grooves; typically they were either on the dead wax or the lead-in grooves. no big deal.

how did it clean? the Lps looked great. the one's i did last night were my most played and most familiar Lps. they sounded better than when i used my Loricraft; for some reason the 45rpm Lps i cleaned last night had a larger degree of consistent improvement than the 33's. i could hear farther into the music; like the overall noise floor dropped. kinda spooky to a degree.

i'm very happy with my purchase. it's simple to use, works great, makes your Lps sound better, and has a small footprint and is nicely made.....and best of all.....i can listen to more Lps instead of taking my time cleaning records.

it does list for $3495; which is plenty.

mikelavigne

Owner
Cyrus,

no, my heart will be in San Jose following my Dawgs, and i'll also be pulling for the Zags in Buffalo (who'd you guys piss off?), but no NCAA sub-regional in Spokane for me this year. maybe next time. it would be fun to hang with you next time they are in River City.

have fun crossing the street to the NCAA's and go Zags!

mikelavigne

Mike, Are you coming over for the NCAA?

cyrus

Owner
Jim,

no problem, don't worry about it.

best,

mikelavigne

Mike,

Please disregard my post. I see you have painted!
Maybe the moderator will pull it??

If not, sorry. I'll read the entire thread first.

Jim

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